OKW's early game over-dominance

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 05:27 AMinsaneHoshi

I don't believe you, were you playing 4v4?

And of course that doesn't matter since the exception doesn't prove the norm or the fact that the mg34 has low dps and high vet requirements, making it impossible to vet fast

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 06:36 AMEsxile

1vs1 around rank200-150, I see regularly up to 2 HMG34 to support and lock territories. The HMG isn't too good or too bad, it does the job if you support it well.
You cannot take the HMG34 in a vacuum without taking in account all the strength the faction has in the IA department.

The true is USF didn't need the Mortar and OKW didn't need the HMG34 in the first place. The mortar was broken the HMG34 not but it doesn't change the fact those changes are simply game breaking.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 07:21 AMzerocoh

finally someone with good sense!!

and yeah, you get flaktruck to defend you flank and put 2 mgs defending mid, there you go, now you have locked 50% of the map.

On maps like crossroads or kholodiny, this is backbreaking since you have no room to manouver as allies.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 14:56 PM__deleted__

Uhm, maybe you can use AT gun or light tank to force flak to pull back and mortar/smoke to flank HMGs. Or use HMGs on your own, All allied hmgs outfight hmg34.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 16:05 PMzerocoh

how the hell I'm going to make an static base unit move back?!

unless you are talking about flak HT which is another big problem right now, the thing just doesn't die anymore, you don't even need to be that good at microing, and the suppression and damage are huge.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 16:24 PM__deleted__

MG´s can be forced to retreat, Flak HT can be forced to pull back and agressively placed FlakHQ can be destroyed by indirect fire/AT gun.

There are many OKW related problems but I´m 100% sure hmg34 or agressive flakHQ is not one of them

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 23:02 PMLoopDloop

I think the flakhq is stupid though. 0 pop, free with teching bofors that gets repaired by sturmpios (which run circles around everyone else) and has a pretty good range and the ability to penetrate allied mediums. You don't have to put it front and center, you can just cover isgs with it and they're basically invincible if you go t1. That's what I do when I play okw and I don't feel like using pumas (love that unit).

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 23:12 PMNano

The FlakHQ is a nice mechanic I think. It has a high level of risk reward and players have to think strategically about where to put it. You could argue either which way on it's damage and pen rates but the mechanic itself I feel is a good one. At the heart of every good RTS is calculated strategy and risk reward mechanics.

If you place it too far forward and use it for defence you risk losing 120 fuel and your ability to field any tanks in the mid to early late game, so it isn't always the best idea (depending on the map and how the front line moves in the match).

Repairing it with Stormpios is not as risk free and easy as you make it sound. If the HQ is being mortared and you are trying to fix it, you risk losing a 300MP squad to one stray mortar. Stormpios are super valuable and a heavy cost to replace, not to mention difficult to vet past 2 or 3, so losing them is big.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 23:02 PMLoopDloop

I think the flakhq is stupid though. 0 pop, free with teching bofors that gets repaired by sturmpios (which run circles around everyone else) and has a pretty good range and the ability to penetrate allied mediums. You don't have to put it front and center, you can just cover isgs with it and they're basically invincible if you go t1. That's what I do when I play okw and I don't feel like using pumas (love that unit).

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 08:59 AM__deleted__

And when you lose it you lose any future medium tank except kingtiger in very long future

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 10:53 AMFul4n0

keep your shit in your base as any other faction and you won´t lose any building....

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 23:12 PMNano

The FlakHQ is a nice mechanic I think. It has a high level of risk reward and players have to think strategically about where to put it. You could argue either which way on it's damage and pen rates but the mechanic itself I feel is a good one. At the heart of every good RTS is calculated strategy and risk reward mechanics.

If you place it too far forward and use it for defence you risk losing 120 fuel and your ability to field any tanks in the mid to early late game, so it isn't always the best idea (depending on the map and how the front line moves in the match).

Repairing it with Stormpios is not as risk free and easy as you make it sound. If the HQ is being mortared and you are trying to fix it, you risk losing a 300MP squad to one stray mortar. Stormpios are super valuable and a heavy cost to replace, not to mention difficult to vet past 2 or 3, so losing them is big.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 16:24 PM__deleted__

MG´s can be forced to retreat, Flak HT can be forced to pull back and agressively placed FlakHQ can be destroyed by indirect fire/AT gun.

There are many OKW related problems but I´m 100% sure hmg34 or agressive flakHQ is not one of them

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 13:58 PMEsxile

Who's talking about placing a FlackHQ aggressively?
MGs can be flank but can reposition
Flaktrack can be hurt but has smoke to escape.

True is you need a huge force to take 2xHMG + 1 flacktrack + volks/stum around. I can't say it is OP right now cuz we are still discovering the new patch but it sprending quite fast around players now. We should see how other factions can counter it effectively, if they can.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 14:05 PM__deleted__

If you force flaktrack to use smoke, you have already won, cause your infantry can close the distance protected with that smoke.


Also HMGs can reposition, but almost always at cost of losing ground if you do flank properly.

The problem with OKW is not hmg34 and flak, it´s their over cost-efficient main line infantry and ealry game shock value.

If volks were more balanced, OKW would be fine. After all hmg34 is just a weak tea compared to the Ost HMG42

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 14:05 PM__deleted__

If you force flaktrack to MOVE, you have already won

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 18:58 PMEsxile

Yes but having the volks overperforming make HMG + flaktrak much more redoutable. Now we agree this is probably not the units to be look at first.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2017, 01:20 AMLoopDloop

+1

Many people will not acknowledge that volks are overperforming though.