Suggesting Cone of Fire for the turretless TD

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 18:19 PMMr.Smith

IMO, I don't think it is really required. There are is no setup timer for turretless stuff, thus you can always quickly reface to the enemy.

I would be opposed to this on account that it would make my UI too cluttered every time I have more than 4 Stug-E/G's on the field

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 18:19 PMMr.Smith

IMO, I don't think it is really required. There are is no setup timer for turretless stuff, thus you can always quickly reface to the enemy.

I would be opposed to this on account that it would make my UI too cluttered every time I have more than 4 Stug-E/G's on the field

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 18:40 PMferwiner

There is none right now. But you must agree that vehicles loosing move penalty at the moment when stop button is pressed or they finish their order, is quite wrong. Vehicles should have a short "set up" time, so that the change between moving and stationary state wasn't instant. The barrel of a ww2 tank is doing really strange things when the tank is on the move and definitely never is pointing exactly at opponent like in coh2, thus additional aim time after moving is quite obvious.

I do know that this may be possibly hard to do and would need reballance of all vehicles with moving bonuses. Just pointing out how it should work in a polished game.

I also do like this "feature" as a micro trick, but it simply doesn't feel right.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 18:44 PMMr.Smith

Lifting speed penalties in a delayed manner is actually a good idea, and it's not difficult to implement. I just don't want to pepper the game code with too much stuff. It still needs to run on everyone's machine.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 18:44 PMMr.Smith

Lifting speed penalties in a delayed manner is actually a good idea, and it's not difficult to implement. I just don't want to pepper the game code with too much stuff. It still needs to run on everyone's machine.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:00 PMferwiner

I didn't know it was so easy But would probably need some testing in unofficial mods to see how it shifts the meta.

There is another thing worth mentioning when we're at move penalties. Would it be possible to add toggle button for some vehicles that would block shooting when on the move? Some vehicles, mostly axis and soviet, need move-stop micro to work in 100%. Problem is, when you for some reason don't stop in time, the vehicle shoots a non accurate shot and reloads, while real crew member would instead wait for the vehicle to stop to shoot a good one. I think that such change would make microing vehicles like panther easier when chasing, thus lowering the number of complaints about ballance of such units.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:02 PMMr.Smith

Sure. That's also very easy to do. If you could point me to an open slot in the UI that is common for all tanks, I could pitch it in

Otherwise, we could introduce such a button on a unit-by-unit basis. E.g., panther definitely needs it. Other tanks, not so much.


EDIT: Though, one implication of this change is that it might prevent the gun from tracking the enemy tank while you move. Allowing the cupola to track the enemy tank while moving will require a lot more workarounds.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:13 PMferwiner

Yep, the tracking is a problem. But maybe a workaround could be to allow coaxial mg to fire, or even better, add another coaxial weapon that would have no graphical effects, but would track the target.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:16 PMMr.Smith

I think that could work. I have something like that in my mod for Crocodile/AVRE. Though it is hard trying to convince the gun to engage the same target as the aiming-weapon.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:19 PMferwiner

What if the gun couln't choose to rotate the turret and only shot at the targets in its sights, while this additional weapon would do the rotating and would be the one controlled by the user? This is how coaxial mg works right now, doesn't it?

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:22 PMMr.Smith

You still can't control exactly which unit will be targeted. If I parametrise the turret too narrow, it will behave like the bugged 222-coaxial mg; almost never fire.

If I parametrise the turret too wide, it might engage some infantry right in front of the tank, etc.

If I make the turret also follow attack commands, this might cause the tank to autorotate to face the target, which is something you don't want. (rotation counts as movement). It's a lose-lose-sitation, basically.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:24 PMferwiner

Yeah, then maybe a weapon that would be on only when the tank is on the move and the toggle is on, that would keep rotation? There is no way to exchange targets between weapons I suppose?

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:30 PMMr.Smith

Nope. You need to declare all hardpoints that can acquire targets statically, on the entity. If there is a way to exchange what can accept targets or not, I would like to know it!

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:32 PMferwiner

Then its a matter of "Is it worth implementing, if it keeps the gun still?"

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:32 PMMr.Smith

I would go for hold fire on anything. Simple, it works, it's fun.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2016, 19:44 PMVuther

IS THAT COMING!?

PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE I MISSED IT SO MUCH AFTER THEY ADDED PRIORITIZE