Funny fact is that from the start I already stated I don`t care how the Soviets are portrayed in the game, because I realize this is just a game
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Funny fact is that from the start I already stated I don`t care how the Soviets are portrayed in the game, because I realize this is just a game
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Oh should I? Maybe you should go read some real books, and I am not saying one or 2, but a lot, watch some documentaries while you are at it. I know Stalin killed jews. But I don`t remember it to be the topic of this discussion.
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Well in fact it is the topic "Russian History" and you mentioned soviets and jews being the victims of nazi propaganda and murder.
Most of the history books and documentaries are still influenced by propaganda (especially the russian ones, because of 45 years of soviet influence). I understand why you are confused.
Since this thread is based on hurt feelings, try to imagine how german people feel, when they are portrait as Nazi murderers in media all the time. It works as entertainment, because Nazis are the perfect villains (propaganda made them like this) and you dont need to tell the public about it.
However you hear any german whining about it? Try to grow a dixk and move on.
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This topic was removed twice from coh2 official forum without an explanation.
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Well it proves you can paint a perfect circle. Congratulations!
(Does this image show, who was responsible for the deaths? Who are the victims? Which timeframe does it cover? On which historian its based on?...)
Lets stop here..
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not everyone in german military was a nazi. (its naive to believe that.) they may have been the head political force but that isn't everyone to think that is silly.
war isn't in black and white (like our governments would love us to believe.) but in pixelated shades of grey.
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Thank you, so many people don't understand this. Ive read a lot of different books about the eastern front. Both sides committed terrible crimes. Yet there was incredible bravery and heroism and kindness from both sides as well. War brings out the worst and best in humanity. Ive read stories about Wehrmacht officers having SS arrested for shooting civilians, German soldiers saving civilians from the rear echelon murder squads (einsatzgruppen) which had large contingents of osttruppen in them. Stalin didn't sign the Geneva Convention so Hitler did not feel bound by it when fighting the Russians. Neither side is blameless in the horror.
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People comparing the past game to this game are not thinking. They're made by totally different development teams with totally different source material. What a tragedy that the story telling has evolved since 2006.
There's a reason people don't like Russian gamers. I think they need little more vindication than the Russian/Ex-Soviet Bloc posters in this thread and those on other websites.
If the game gets banned in Russia, I wont cry. Though Relic might. For me? It means the DoWII and CoH1 community wont spill over into here and suddenly there's a massive drop in the number of hackers.
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Very true. And by the way, after war germans payed huge price for it. As man born in USSR I feel huge respect to your people after this war till now (you are from Germany as I understand). In fact, both our people believed in false leaders (no matter who was worse).
The only thing that frustrates me - some third side that speculates for marketing.
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@Curity: I have one more argument for you to counter, good sir
I saw it being mentioned several times that the campaign only demonizes the NKVD and state institution, but it actually GLORIFIES and HONORS the bravery and sacrifice of the common soviet soldier. At least that's the impression many western players will have when playing this, Russians may define heros differently.
But think about it: You are worried about Russia's reputation, I assume? Consider this: People will rather associate today's common russians with the common soldiers shown in the game. They will most likely not associate them with the NKVD which is gone today. The common soldiers in the game which represent common citizens of soviet states are shown in a POSITIVE way.
You guys are fighting a game that will spread a better image of common soviet soldiers in the west. Currently the West has a rather negative image of them. This could finally change! And yet you are trying to impede this game's success. You fight the game that will redeem soviet soldiers. Soviet soldiers represent common citizens of your states. I think you're wounding yourselves here....
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@Curity: I have one more argument for you to counter, good sir
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