RELIC'S WPC Change of plan

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 11:40 AMStormless

It would be pretty unfair to VonIvan/Jesulin if we took third place money away from them. This situation is no fault of their own.

Kyle tried to offer some kind of money cause he didn't like the thought of Noggano coming so far and not getting something from it. But at the end of the day, Noggano is the only person who is in breach of tournament conditions here and it's not fair to try and compensate him with other players prize pool money. The other players have expressed their concerns over that and I totally agreed with them.

We actually knew Milestone 5 was reached before the Quarter and Semi-Finals were played, so if this was an issue, Noggano may have considered dropping from the tournament rather than letting this situation get so far. If Visa is genuinely the issue, he would have known this was a possibility from the start of the tournament.

It's a really horrible situation, and quite frankly the best way to deal with these situations is to just stick to the bloody rules you laid out at the start with rigidity, because nobody can question your actions then.

Kyle was trying to do right by Noggano, but that shouldn't be done at the expense of eligible players. It's a bit upset I understand

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 13:01 PMNashka

I tryed to contact with someone who hosted this turney before quarters, but they just ignored my messages. I didnt know that player who can't fly to Vancuver will be discqualificated, I prepared for this turnament more then 1 month and that was totally wasted. Why they cant just replace me and VonIvan and let me play against Jesulin for the 3d place and throw VonIvan to the Final?

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 13:14 PMferwiner

Man, honestly, wouldn't a fraction of the money you alrady won enough to get this new passport next week?

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 13:16 PMNashka

I didnt won anything, I was disqualificated.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 13:30 PMSiberian

"Disqualifying a person who legitimately reached the final"

I am glad to see priorities and fairness is at the top of Relic's agenda; wouldn't hurt to invest that money more wisely than flying favourites.

The fact that he is genuinely disqualified is just hilarious and anyone that thinks that's either fair or a "necessary compromise" is just on full damage control at this point.

Weird comment, but let's break it down...

"Disqualifying a person who legitimately reached the final" - Incorrect, he reached the finals in breach of tournament T&C's technically.

"Flying favourites"??? You're speaking nonsense, Noggano is still able to fly if he can get things sorted which fingers crossed, can happen. The issue is that if he can't go, third and fourth place will need to fight for that spot. Relic haven't 'picked' someone to fly they are presenting options to the remaining top 3 contestants in the situation that Noggano can't uphold the conditions, you're talking bulls***t

"anyone that thinks that's either fair or a "necessary compromise" is just on full damage control at this point"

It's entirely fair based on the rules presented to players at the very start of the tournament and quite frankly the only way to get out of this situation without Relic doing what they see fit. Instead of Relic picking and choosing what they want, which is something you've all criticized routinely, they will just go with the set out rules that everyone was aware from at day 1. If you guys complain about that, then you need to question what the hell you actually want lol

The situation is incredibly unfortunate however what is definitely unfair, is either scrapping current 3rd and 4th place to let 6 people fight for places again (effectively redoing semi-finals and potentially 3 and 4 losing out) or taking away the third place prize from players who have been put in this situation through no fault of their own.

What would be nice is for Noggano to have tomorrow's match as a fight for second place, and then Noggano get's at least, a chance to shoot for 3rd place on another weekend.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 13:43 PMI984

Noggano is 2nd place at least, so $ 1.000 for him

He forfeits so Devm wins $ 2.000

Legit 3rd place match for the rest of the money

Problems solved.

"Disqualifying a person who legitimately reached the final" - Incorrect, he reached the finals in breach of tournament T&C's technically.

You're speaking nonsense, Noggano is still able to fly if he can get things sorted which fingers crossed, can happen. The issue is that if he can't go, third and fourth place will need to fight for that spot. Relic haven't 'picked' someone to fly they are presenting options to the remaining top 3 contestants in the situation that Noggano can't uphold the conditions, you're talking bulls***t

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 13:57 PMTittendachs

just make this an online finals and fly devm to vancouver afterwards!

whats the matter? with the spare money relic could fly in the casters to cast the finals from relic hq.

problem solved! i dont get why finals HAS TO BE offline suddenly...if milestone 5 wasnt reached nobody would care anyways. milestone 5 and 6 should have been switched in the first place...

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 14:07 PMTittendachs

by the way:

I cant imagine any pro player beeing happy to play the finals on some unknown equipment where e.g. hotkeys are different.

offline finals sound great at first but i feel its unnecessary and the extra money would have made a very nice prize pool (maybe also giving some money to 4th place...)

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 14:21 PMferwiner

There is nothing wrong in doing finals in the spot chosen by devs on their equipment. Many other esport games do so and people understand that, especially as this is the only effective way of dealing with hackers. I'm not accusing anyone here but after the cleansing relic did not that far ago I would see this as one of the reasons of moving finals to canada.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 14:21 PMSiberian

Yeah, let's break it down since you're incapable of being neutral about this.

If you're that desperate to hold the finals in person with both contestants then simply postpone the tournament which is not ideal but if you give such late notice to the parties involved then Relic, Kyle or whoever organised this rushed mess should have anticipated such a possibility.

Jump back to quoted post9 Sep 2016, 22:03 PMGdot

This was a great event that benefited many aspects and people of the community. This milestone may prove to be problematic, but it was with GREAT intentions.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 11:20 AMStormless

So the fairest option in a pretty unfortunate event was to stick to tournament rules set out from the beginning which unfortunately means if Noggano can't make it he is DQ'd and third and fourth place move up a slot.

• The semi between VonIvan and Noggano is ruled in VonIvans favor, VonIvan advances, Jesulin and Noggano play for 3rd. The only person that is off worse than to the original situation is Noggano. VonIvan benefits, no changes for Jesulin or DevM.
  
• VonIvan and Jesulin play for participation in the final. The loser plays against Noggano for third. Noggano again is worse of, VonIvan benefits, but not as much, Jesulin benefits as well as he still has a shot for 2nd place, DevM no change.
  
• VonIvan and Jesulin play for participation of the Final. Noggano is ruled 3rd. In this case is better for the winner of Von/Jes, no change for DevM and slightly worse for Noggano.
  
• VonIvan and Jesulin play for participation of the finals, Noggano wins second prize money. If the winner of Von/Jesulin loses the final, he get's 3rd place, if he wins, he and DevM will split the 2750$. This would give no changes to Noggano (other than not being able to win), Von or Jesulin, and DevM is slightly better off (because when loosing he gets more money than he would otherwise. Of course in that case the potentially unsatisfying outcome is that there might be a joined "winner".
  

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2016, 11:20 AMStormless

Basically, if Noggano can't make it (Which is still available for him to do) Positions 3 and 4 will have to move up a place