Hans banning Ivan

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 10:18 AMPaperPlane

The amount of ignorant people in this community, dear god. As said earlier, if you were in Hans position you woulnd't saying these things. It's the internet,I'm aware of that but constantly harassing someone is just plain dumb. After all he is stil human, right? And the rules of our society still stands. Ivan did this to himself and got what he deserved.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 10:27 AMhubewa

No-one's saying he shouldn't get banned for X amount of banter. A lot of us, though, are saying that the 2 wk ban from the game is simply just too harsh.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 10:34 AMPaperPlane

It's a game, a videogame.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 10:02 AMhubewa

1) Yes, they do. Anyone can appeal. Even Relic only used the banhammer on when it was obvious. But the example you gave was a strawman.
2) Then can we see the supposed chat so that we can make up our minds, rather than us making assumptions?

I don't think it's particularly a secret on this site that the admins don't like COHEXPERTS (I'm not a member of any clan BTW, but it's pretty obvious what's going on here) and that's fair enough because they do troll a lot and have their banter so their dislike is somewhat justified. Forum warnings + bans from forum = fine, but that doesn't mean you take someone out completely from the game.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 10:41 AMhubewa

Keep in mind that I would not defend any trolling, I'm only concerned about the heavy-handedness of it.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 10:39 AMhubewa

And also, if you just say that it's a game, then why is Hans getting really annoyed about it, claiming harrassment and all and threatening the banhammer for months now when he, as you suggest yourself, should take it calmly and just laugh it off, just like some members in the community?

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 11:18 AMWiFiDi

who are you to decide what someone else should be or shouldn't be offended by.

"oh, i just synchacked this guy cause my cat died last week and i was feeling sad :-("
"well, okay then, no ban."

no, you also complained about no evidence being presented and no appeal being given. this is not a court of law, nor does it have to be. it's relics game, and they can pretty much do whatver the fuck they want.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 11:35 AMhubewa

No, people should be able to appeal any ban. Always. This is not the kind of appeal that should get through, but people can be wrongly accused of hacking. Only when it's obvious do people get accused.



If you want to be part of something that you invest a lot in but is very heavy handed, shouldn't you be a tad concerned? I don't think there's any way both of us can or will get banned from the game, but it is still something to be concerned about nonetheless.

EDIT: The last two quotes weren't from WIFIDI, they were from Paperplane

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 11:47 AMcr4wler

those weren't from paperplane but from me.

and again: this is relics game, they can do whatever the hell they want. and i actually support their decision to not make bans appealable. why? simple: it's even more work put into the banning process, that could actually help make the game itself better, instead of having to ban assholes. every minute relic has to spend looking at replays/chat logs/stream highlights is a minute not spent on the actual game.

the "heavy handedness" is very, very, VERY relative. a 2 week ban is nothing that i would call harsh. at best, it's a wake up call.

also: if harassing/bullying people on the internet is your "hobby", there must be something going fundamentally wrong in your life.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 11:52 AMThe_Riddler

As a regular stream watcher of both HelpingHans and VonIvan I quite enjoyed the rivalry between those two players. VonIvan was verbally abusive towards HelpingHans, but this has very little to do with being able to play the actual game as it involves an argument between two adults.
Hans does promote his play as high skilled, which is fine, but should not be surprised if people consistently try to beat him. VonIvan has done this on several occassions.
Furthermore, it is inconsequent and not justified to suspend a single player as there are players out there that verbally abuse other players to a greater extent (Barton for example). By solely suspending VonIvan it is clear that Relic favors familiar faces. This means rules and regulations are not involved in this suspension, which causes injustice. Therefore, Relic should validate the complaints from HelpingHans and others on equal foot and apply proper procedures.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 11:51 AMhubewa

I do not know enough about his antics to make any judgement.

Furthermore, it is inconsequent and not justified to suspend a single player as there are players out there that verbally abuse other players to a greater extent (Barton for example). By solely suspending VonIvan it is clear that Relic favors familiar faces.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 12:33 PMcr4wler

no, hans is just the only one that reported somebody to relic.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 12:49 PMThe_Riddler

Possibly, but abusive behaviour of certain players is known by Relic so the individual complaint of a familiar face leading up to a suspension causes injustice in comparison with non-suspended abusive players that nobody officially complained about. One complaint of harrasment is never grounded reason for suspension.