Too much artillery?

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 08:22 AMHighfiveeeee

While you are right, you don't mention that the ISU also one shotted inf squads in 100 range about 50-80% of the time back then because it didn't need to change ammunition and had a huge sight radius with its ability.

The Elefant won against the ISU and other tanks, but the ISU won against everything else, especially every kind of infantry.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 08:27 AMKatitof

I did a couple of posts above

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 06:49 AMKatitof

Even WITH mark target, Ele had ~100 more armor, TWICE the penetration and slightly shorter reload.
Ele penetrated RELIABLY IS-2, while ISU struggled to pen tiger.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 13:51 PMd0ggY

how do you know when you haven't played the game at all?

Don't come with stats now. I've did it a lot of times i rekt Elefants with ISU.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 13:51 PMd0ggY

how do you know when you haven't played the game at all?

Don't come with stats now. I've did it a lot of times i rekt Elefants with ISU.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 14:05 PMGrittle

You either flanked the ele, outplayed it with more infantry and AT support, or the enemy was a borb.

You just have to see their names to know who would win a majority of the time

ISU-152 ASSAULT GUN

Elefant TANK DESTROYER

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 13:58 PMKatitof

And with enough RNG on your side, soviet M15 is best AA in the game.

Every unit have a lucky RNG streak once in a while, that still doesn't mean it suddenly counters its counters.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 15:36 PMd0ggY

You have a ability that is called "piercing shot" or something like that, ever used it? also playercard grittle?

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 19:07 PMelchino7

Still, Jaeger armor would counterpick what was meta at that point (ISU or Artillery). If you were not worried about arty, you could also go for Fortified armor and have smoke to counter button + IL2 bombing strike cheese.

EVEN with mark vehicle, you would had same dmg as Ele with lower RoF AND like 60% chance of pen. Piercing shot was not guaranteed to hit in the same way TWP work at that point IIRC (hit ground not tracking unit). And tell me how could you surprise an ELE with an ISU when you had 150 sight range with focus sight + spotting scope or recon planes ?

ISU was not meant to destroy other tanks or be able to present a fight to the Ele, it was there to kill your AT guns + infantry so you could then push it with your own Zis + Guards + mediums (or just to be honest, the blob of double T3485s).

Jump back to quoted post14 Jul 2016, 12:35 PMAustralian Magic

If enemy is blobbing really hard, I should get 2 HMGs.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 20:10 PMd0ggY

Intresting, can you teach me how to play please? I suck appareantly MVGame

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 21:31 PMelchino7

So do you have anything to refute on what i said? Prior to the march patch (which introduced pio/gren OPieop), every game on 2v2 was mostly ISU vs Ele if both parties were "tryharding". I played enough at the top of the ladder at that time to remember well.

ISU never rolled over the Ele. ISU rolled over pak wall and infantry which would let you roll over the Ele with T3485 spam + mark vehicle or IL2 + button + mark vehicle.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2016, 04:36 AMsuuuhdude

I remember a time when ISG and pakhowie were perfect. Then they got suppression. Then just fuckin broken OP. Then instead of reverting pre suppression. They just nerfed both into fucking uselessness.

The isg is lucky to get even 5 kills a match it is thoroughly worthless for anything other than dealing some damage to mgs in buildings, pack howie has pathetic range everyone just buys mortar.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jul 2016, 22:09 PMd0ggY

Sigh, and you have never pressured an elefant that far back with just the isu?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2016, 08:22 AMAustralian Magic

Not sure if trolling or serious.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2016, 01:12 AMeasierwithaturret

He's kinda right though, ISG is still useful against emplacements due to its range but it is lackluster against infantry. In the mid game that manpower is usually better spend on another infantry squad. If you're back teching to med truck then it has little use in the late game.

Pack howitzer is irrelevant since USF got mortar, I haven't seen a single one since then. Even before it was a clumsy RNG cannon with a crap barrage. Instead of being used in its intended role of attacking bunkers, garrisons and OKW trucks its main value was in cheese wipes on Grenadier squads. If pack howi had more range and less AOE it would better perform its role with less annoying instagibs on axis players.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2016, 08:14 AMAustralian Magic

Then you should try to use them or watch some 1v1 replays instead of spreaging bullshit.