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Rogers "Veteran caster" about gaming industry.The truth!

19 May 2016, 19:31 PM
#1
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Rogers and his friend M3atshank made this videos about the "rip off" that is taking place the last years in the gaming industry. They speak the truth, so i thought i should try to make more people watch this. The more people hear and know about this, the more we can change for the future of our beloved hobby :).
Don't believe anything the big companies (E.A., ACTIVISION, UBISOFT, SEGA and so on) tell you!

Thanks again to Rogers and M3atshank for doing this videos and allowing me to post them here.

Mods, i thought i put this in the Lobby so more people can watch this. If you think that was not the right call, feel free to move the thread.

P.S. In one of the videos they talk about COH and COH2







19 May 2016, 20:21 PM
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I think I recently saw the first video in my feed but didn't really bother with it since I didn't know what it was about, I'll definitely check it out now tho, thanks. And yeah, they can't escape mentioning CoH and CoH 2, arguably one of the at least, more popular WW2 RTS franchises out there along with Men of War for example, can't say CoH did much wrong even, I can still remember Rogers and Pounder's shoutcasts of the game, as well as KrebsCOHO.
21 May 2016, 11:25 AM
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Bump, just finished watching the last video right now, OP, please update the topic with the latest video(s) they upload for future reference, maybe someone from Relic might see it and get their heads out of their asses for DoW III, by the god emperor I hope that game isn't another CoH 2.
21 May 2016, 12:57 PM
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Bump, just finished watching the last video right now, OP, please update the topic with the latest video(s) they upload for future reference, maybe someone from Relic might see it and get their heads out of their asses for DoW III, by the god emperor I hope that game isn't another CoH 2.



yeah because milking cows is not fun right and milk ($) tastes bad LUL
21 May 2016, 13:04 PM
#5
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Sam is a fucking legend
21 May 2016, 13:06 PM
#6
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FPS genre isn't in a bad spot, Doom just came out with one of the best campaigns ever made. Overwatch is about to come out with some fresh multiplayer gameplay. Although it was posted on april 20th I guess.

Don't have time to listen to an hour podcast, but the usual talk about today's dlc and pre-order practices being the cancer of the industry, judging by the cliff notes? Nothing new, most non main-stream gamers agree. But the majority don't care
21 May 2016, 16:49 PM
#7
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But the majority don't care


And that's the biggest problem of our time. Not only for this topic.
People became like sheep and take everything without questioning.
21 May 2016, 21:37 PM
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And that's the biggest problem of our time. Not only for this topic.
People became like sheep and take everything without questioning.


Here here.
27 May 2016, 12:09 PM
#9
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New episode, the good side (good games).

27 May 2016, 12:45 PM
#10
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I've watched / listened to a few of these casts while driving. They make some good points, but I think they often get a little repetitive and the comments don't bring much new perceptions / ideas to anyone who makes a passing look on forums. I'd definitively recomend watching to a casual.
27 May 2016, 15:08 PM
#11
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Meh.

It basically boils down to him repeating how bad DLCs and preorders are for the overall quality of the game and segmentation of game populations and how no one should buy them. How the same game keeps coming out over and over and console gamers gobble it up so there's no incentive for innovation.

But he got BF4 and all the DLC and that's alright cause he played it for over 600hrs. GTFO.

Really he's just another angry middle aged gamer, quick to condemn the industry practices he simultaneously supports.
27 May 2016, 15:12 PM
#12
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TL;DR

DLC that impact the way someone plays the game kills any chance of competitive play in the long run and accelerates how fast it dies.
27 May 2016, 19:21 PM
#13
avatar of The amazing Chandler

Posts: 1355

Meh.

It basically boils down to him repeating how bad DLCs and preorders are for the overall quality of the game and segmentation of game populations and how no one should buy them. How the same game keeps coming out over and over and console gamers gobble it up so there's no incentive for innovation.

But he got BF4 and all the DLC and that's alright cause he played it for over 600hrs. GTFO.

Really he's just another angry middle aged gamer, quick to condemn the industry practices he simultaneously supports.


If this is what you take from this videos, oh man.
He said that he learned from his mistakes but why am i even bother writing to you.
Meh, you know which animal sound like that, the sheep (like most of the gamers today, that give their (and their parents) money for nothing. Keep it up man, let E.A. and Co. get richer.
27 May 2016, 19:36 PM
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There isnt really anything wrong with $60 worth of DLC for extra guns and maps. The problem is preordering to beta test their game for them and the fact that you can't connect to servers that use certain maps even when its on maps that you own. $120 for a game that you get 100+ hours out of is a good deal.
27 May 2016, 22:21 PM
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with paying a lot of money for a game you enjoy. But I don't place much value in hearing some guy rant about how games are broken up in many expensive pieces these days. Or how the same game keeps coming out year after year with small cosmetic changes, jetpacks and bugs.

I already know that. So to me, his commentary falls flat.

Here, I'm going to be constructive and suggest more in-depth topics for future videos:

-Explore the cost of video games over time while taking inflation into account.
-Explore the cost of game development over time, consumer buying power, consumer pool size.
-How is it that people are willing to pay 120$ or more for a shallow game like SW Battlefront and play it for 10 hours? If the monetary value of entertainment is not the same for everyone, how much can it vary?
-What percent of consumers buy games they never even play? Are there any scientific studies on the topic (or related) exploring their motivations? (Hell, I know I'm guilty of this one)
-Paying upfront for a game is often viewed as dishonest because expectations rarely match reality. So what would a fairer system look like? A subscription service? A few exist, are they getting traction?
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01 Apr 2025, 20:29 PM
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01 Apr 2025, 20:19 PM
dasheepeh: no comic sans font for april 1st this year?
01 Apr 2025, 19:56 PM
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01 Apr 2025, 02:53 AM
Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
01 Apr 2025, 02:36 AM
Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
27 Mar 2025, 15:46 PM
Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
27 Mar 2025, 09:30 AM
Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy :clap:
27 Mar 2025, 04:31 AM
Soheil: Coh2 still broken server ?
25 Mar 2025, 18:27 PM
Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. :snfQuinn:.
24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
Willy Pete: @Nickbn you didn't ask a question, and this is a chat box...
20 Mar 2025, 13:11 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
Rosbone: #RelicModdedEchoChamber
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
webdesign-muenchen-w: @Rosbone it is sick
14 Mar 2025, 22:09 PM
aerafield: @adamírcz aren't the first two disconnects free every day?
14 Mar 2025, 19:26 PM
Rosbone: It is so unlike Relic to punish its fans and community.
14 Mar 2025, 12:07 PM
adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
Rosbone: Just making mistake after mistake after mistake.
13 Mar 2025, 19:57 PM
Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
Rosbone: For a thing they could fix in minutes. Literally minutes.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:48 PM
OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
Rosbone: @theekvn I dont hate Coh3 or Relic. I just dont understand how you work on Coh3 for like 7 years and the menu system is worse than if a Programming 101 student made it. Feel free to explain it to me.
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
theekvn: + 33% dmg rear hit was best deal ever.
12 Mar 2025, 04:00 AM
theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
theekvn: you rather go 76 to unity Whizbang 2.0 or go home.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: also US tier 4 is 145f and Sherman pen 140 nerf is too much.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: Whizbang lock behind CP, meanwhile stuka is techtree progress
12 Mar 2025, 03:51 AM
KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
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aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
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