Ost Grenadier Squad Size Upgrade

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 17:25 PMTobis

So in the balance patch:
- Volks get ai upgrade
- Volks get snare

Now:
- Grens get 5 man squad

Congratulations, you made two unique units nearly identical.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 18:06 PMaaa

this patch is garbage patch, no skill edition - noobs dream mortar camping

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 18:06 PMaaa

this patch is garbage patch, no skill edition - noobs dream mortar camping

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 18:12 PMTobis

Didn't you quit the game like 8 times?

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 17:25 PMTobis

So in the balance patch:
- Volks get ai upgrade
- Volks get snare

Now:
- Grens get 5 man squad

Congratulations, you made two unique units nearly identical.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 13:51 PMZyllen

I do like to remind you that with the penals buff they are more then likely going to be the new mainline infantry for the SU. Aslo until now the SU has always relied on callins or pphs upgrades.

So i dont think this argument is not really a good counter against gren 1 + man upgrade

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2016, 08:02 AMMissCommissar

If penals will be real SU mainline - then they should be in T0 and be affected of grenade upgrades.

It is argument, cos again - you can't buff one not bad already mainline infantry without buffing another mainline infantry, which is in way worse shape right now. That will be 1 way upgrade, but both vanilla factions mainlines should be fixed, they both have problems. Grens have poor survivability, Cons - poor firepower. If you fix first - fix second then. Otherwise you ruin balance.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2016, 12:15 PMZyllen

Well i will remind you that grens cannot be build in tier 0 either. But if you are worried about early game infantry balance the move the + 1 man upgrade to the ostheer tier 3. At that point scripts will always lose to grens anyway because of weapon upgrades unless they received ppsh upgrades themselves.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2016, 12:21 PMMissCommissar

Well, I don't think, that it would be better to find in SU T0 Maxims instead of Cons, lol.

And you said yourself - Cons will always lose to grens becuase of poor firepower. Why can't it be fixed with same unlockable in T3/T4 soviet weapon upgrade? It may be DPs, it may be MT LMGs, it may be PTRS, SVT rifles...

Both factions wins here - Ostheer heals poor grens survivability and makes squad death rare, SU heals poor Cons dealing damage and making them real mainlines with good possibilites to fight in late effectively. What's wrong with that? Why we should buff ONLY Grens, ignoring Cons?

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2016, 12:15 PMZyllen

Well i will remind you that grens cannot be build in tier 0 either. But if you are worried about early game infantry balance the move the + 1 man upgrade to the ostheer tier 3. At that point scripts will always lose to grens anyway because of weapon upgrades unless they received ppsh upgrades themselves.