Do volks really need stg44?

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 10:41 AMZyllen

This only works if they are going to be able to stand up to upgraded and vetted rifles

is and future penals. And this requires some tweaking in their stg's and vet. otherwise late game they are going to be wasted manpower.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 00:50 AMZyllen

Do you even realise that the mp40's of the volks in coh 1 where pretty much the same as the mp44's of coh2? they excelled in close and midrange.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 11:30 AMKatitof

New penals are incomparably more expensive and they are tech requiring AI specialists, not generalist starting infantry.

You want to stand up to new penals? Better use panzerfussiliers then, because volks won't cut it and neither should they.

You want infantry relevance in late game? Do what both soviets and OKW did since forever-use elite infantry, either doctrinal or stock one.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 13:26 PMZyllen

You keep saying more expensive but dude 20/30 mp is not a whole lot of difference. Also satchel charges are quite good against engine damage heavies. so they are not pure AI.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 13:26 PMZyllen

You keep saying more expensive but dude 20/30 mp is not a whole lot of difference. Also satchel charges are quite good against engine damage heavies. so they are not pure AI.

Thank you for proving my point. The okw is shoehorned into a single doctrine. not only have they content with superior infantry but also better support weapons. well that's not recipe for disaster inst it?

Yeah i do use it. but what im going to do with 4-5 squads of useless volks past the `15 min mark. throw them away to make room for obers? or use them and keep bleeding large amount of mp.
After all without a shrek they cannot support tanks and even with 2 ( at the moment useless) mp44's they are in no position to deal with allied infantry.

But i will be proven right sooner then later. coh 1 had the same situation with the volks until they buffed the mp40's to become adequate midrange dps.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:16 PMGenObi

This thread is a perfect example of why shrecks are bad for the game, the only time when shrecks had a role is when okw was resource starve, now however its the cause of so much problems. People still want to be able to build Volk volks volks volks until panther or KT.

Guys you have to adapt to new strategy evolving combine arms, it should look something like this volks volks, mg 34 raken puma or p2 etc!!!

Its adapting time!! No more easy wins of VOLK VOLK VOLKS VOLKS VOLKS VOLKS VOLKS VOLKVS VOLKS VOLKVS VOLKS VOLKS VOLKS VOLKS---->SUPER TANK WIN!

The more and more i play the mod the more i relize that shreck volks are cancer.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:27 PMZyllen

Only noobs lost to that strat, guess we know what level you are playing

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:27 PMZyllen

Only noobs lost to that strat, guess we know what level you are playing

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 13:35 PMKatitof

Do I need to remind you the gap between volks and cons when the price was 5 mp in con favor?
Do you know the gap between volks and cons when the price is 10 more then cons?
Do I need to point you at 270 completely useless and usnusable current penals vs 280 amazing rifles?

10 mp makes a HUGE difference and we're talking price of one of cheapest GENERAL infantry vs elite infantry priced AI specialists.

Get your facts straight.

Rush for obers, utilize kubel which penals do nothing against, utilize new HMG OR pick a doctrine.
And what better support weapons? You missed maxim nerfs?
L2P.

What if I told you that 4-5 volk builds are not the most optimal thing under the sun for OKW on the mod?

Guess what? They already did that in the mod and StGs are great at short, good at mid and not useless at long in the mod.
The only thing that will be proven right is that OKW fanboys relied so much on volk shreckblob cancer that they are incapable of building anything else.
OKW gets a proper HMG and you still mumble about volk spam BO.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:33 PMGenObi

You mean rank 115 as okw on the ladder for 1v1's?
or my 129 USA rank or 105 Brit rank?

And your playcard is where????

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:29 PMKatitof

Pros add 2x JLI and luchs to it

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:40 PMGenObi

Oh hey everyone it turns out that the reason why "he dosn't give a shit" about play card arguments is because guess what!

wait for it...

https://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/steamid/76561198005939306

HE DOSN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:35 PMZyllen

stop straw manning this has nothing to do with volks or my argument.

Thank you for proving my point again . the okw is shoehorned again into one route. you keep making my live easier and easier

Not my argument so once stop straw manning. 1 , 2 or 10 it doesn't matter this unit needs to have purpose late game. and at moment they get utterly slaughtered.

Bloody hell how many times do you keep in brining in stuff that is not relevant.

BUT I WILL SPELL IT OUT AGAIN: HOW IS THE OKW GOING TO PERFORM WHEN THEY HAVE INFERIOR INFANTRY AND INFERIOR SUPPORT WEAPONS?

And the answer is they dont.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2016, 14:45 PMGenObi

Is that your rank 287 okw player only opinnion?

Exactly like the soviets did from the very release day.
By using doctrines and light vehicles.