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No to make PG more cost affective and G43 on them a better option....
On PG, it's a downgrade in all situations. On Grens, it's an upgrade in all situations.
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So are LMG42s though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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No, it's not.
http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/grenadier_kar_98k_rifle_mp
http://www.coh2-stats.com/small_arms/jaeger_g43_rifle_mp
Better at every range.
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It says "Patch version: 23 June 2015", not sure if that refers to the game or something related to their website, but is coh2-stats even up to date anymore?
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No, it's outdated. But they haven't changed gren kar98s or g43s since then, so it's accurate. Used this site because the graphs are a little better than the updated site, you can check that they are the same if you want.
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because they fire on the move, right? G43's on grens are still worth it imo, gives you a bit more of a mobile combat than the lmg42
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cuz lmg's where the way to go since forever, and g43's need you to change playstyle a bit
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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That's too bad, I only knew of this one. Which alternative site are you using instead?
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PGs are cost-effective already, and I'd prefer keeping a good AI unit without a necessary upgrade in their repertoire as is.
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part of the problem is the fact that the panzergrenadier are already using assault rifles. Semi-auto rifle realistically isn't going to be an improvement.
Guess it a matter of preference, I would rather have them cheaper with a weapon upgrade...Another idea would be to allow Pioneer upgrade with g43 (mutally exclusive with flamers/swippers) instead of PGs...
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And the DPS charts from Relic's attribute editor states that these things are hardly more than a slight improvement/side-grade on a unit with very good weapons. The only place where the G43 performs more effectively is the 30-35 mark.
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What about on the move?
The stg44 has much shorter bursts when moving, which will significantly reduce damageoutput.
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I don't find them very useful, even though I have a soft spot for them and attempt to use them from time to time.
One, long range weapons, so mg42, are superior for a variety of reasons in coh, two, the weapon is really not that great.
And then, instead of fighting allied infantry at long range which is axis comfort zone, you get a weapon which is effective at ranges where grens have no staying power and will simply be destroyed by anything but cons. The way I see it you're turning your grens into makeshift riflemen, except infinitely worse. Close range is not the place for a fragile 4 man squad, and I think that by choosing this upgrade you're giving up their strong suit.
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