Double maxim spam.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 21:56 PMaaa

Looks good if you type its about 2v2 in the caption. Otherwise its close to absurd. But relic dont care abou 2v2 as well as custom games of any kind as was stated previously.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 22:28 PMBigBeefy22

Maxim Spam = MG42 spam.

The allies have been dealing with MG spam since launch. Every game is just a field of MG's. Deal with it. Or if you want them to nerf Maxims, the have to nerf MG42's. Lower suppressions, narrow it's cone of fire, lower range, remove amour piercing rounds. You can't have the best of all worlds. People seem to severely under rate the 180 degree cone of fire and range on the MG42's. The wide cone of fire and long range outweighs and is far more valuable than any amount of suppression, setup, speed and teardown times by far.

Axis have superior mortars to allies, plenty of vehicles for dealing with MG's, and flame grenades for when you can flank it.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 22:49 PMClick

Again, how is okw supposed to counter this spam?

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 23:18 PMBigBeefy22

Same way I have to counter MG42's as USF. Tons of luck and micro.

The only reliable early option for USF is Assault Engineers, or Flame thrower. Which are both locked to commanders. I really don't like the smoke+grenade combo. It's unreliable and loses usefulness the bigger teams games you go. You don't have smoke, but you have the infamous flame grenade. That right there is a game changer.

Fame grenade? You can't even come close to maxi spam. Have you faced 4-5 maxis?

Assault Engineers = Sturms

Assault Engineers are very similar to Sturms, and have high DPS. I flank an MG with multiple units and rush the AE up to it's face and try to shred it while walking around the building to avoid it's repositioning. Unfortunately, AE's are locked to a commander, while you can build sturms whenever you want

That's it for USF at t0, we have nothing else.

What Flank? Maxi spam covers everything. You can't flank anything when maxis are there.

Next Tier:

ISG's are probably the most valuable unit in the game. It's pure gold, and if an Ally player can steal it, it's GG. That weapon is absolutely insane, and you cannot underrate its usefulness. Right there you have a ridiculously good counter to MG's. USF equivalent would be the Pak, but range is much more valuable in this game, so the ISG is much better.

LEIG is fragile and can get owned by infantry. How can I protect them when I do even have mgs to protect my poor infantry units. Have those maxis come up and see how infantry+maxi shred apart leig because there are no mgs for okw.

OKW flak truck = USF AA half track

I sometimes use it to try and clear buildings. Unfortunately for me, I have to be a lot more careful to avoid heat seaking shrek blobs, and the MG42's anti vehicle rounds. You don't have to deal with either of those.

Soviet have AT guns in the same building. One AT gun can tear apart flak truck. So they just have to spam maxis and get one at gun.

After that MG's are a thing of the past when you have a Luchs, Puma, and Stuka.

Stuka costs 100 fuel and when maxi family is guarding fuel, you do not any fuel income. Luchs cost 65 fuel and gets engine damage by one soviet nade and gets easily countered by AT guns THAT SOVIET HAVE in the same building. Puma is AT.

It's a lot more difficult to deal with MG's as USF. The OKW have a much easier time, with MG's that are not as good as the MG42.

USF have smoke and if you don't use/like it, it does not mean smoke is bad.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 23:18 PMBigBeefy22

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Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 03:34 AMBigBeefy22

If you allow them to find and kill your ISG, something is seriously wrong. USF pak has far less range than the ISG but you keep it alive by microing it out of harms way. The ISG is the Pak, but way easier to use, since you're miles away from any danger.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 03:39 AMClick

Please use your all A+ skills and upload a video where you as okw is using LEIG and you stopped 6 maxi marching towards you with cons. Please do it. Let me see how pro you actually are as okw.

Oh and did you watch NA final? yeah...that is nothing. Maxi spam in 2v2 is something else.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2016, 05:02 AMBigBeefy22

I didn't realize you can only have 1 LEIG and nothing else by the time they have all that. I don't even have close to A+ skills, maybe D+ at best.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2016, 13:17 PMAerohank

That's not how it works. Just because one unit over performs does not mean other units in the same faction must therefore under perform. Buffing the counters to maxims will break balance elsewhere as it would just crush Brits/USF support weapon play. Buffing other units in the soviet arsenal will also not magically make maxim spam any less effective.

Maxim spam is just too easy to do at the moment. The unit just performs too well on its own. I would suggest a slight increase in set-up time; this would make maxims operate a lot less effective on their own and would make them actual support weapons.