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IA3 - HH
16 Feb 2016, 10:40 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 08:41 AMHater

34-76 is something what you cannot use like quantity over quality esp vs okw so yes, 34-85 should. Besides it dies as quickly as 34-76 so nothing to worry about actually.
All factions have non-doc weapon upgrade for core infantry (grens, pgrens, vgrens, obers) or even racks (usf, tbf) what means no limitation of which unit can use it. Looks fairly, doesn't it?


you have good inf, Engineer Squad have non doc Flamethrower, you have very powerful and cheap hmg, its very good for you
Penals or cons cant have non doc ppsh, ppsh is a smg and all SMGs are doc, also non doc ppsh = new problem: very OP soviet inf
also you cant have non doc T34-85, non doc T34-85 = T34-85 + IS2 together, then this is a new problem again.
maybe you say okw have panther and king tiger, yes its a problem and king tiger must be doc
for penals i can suggest Bazooka (Lend Lease program)(one model - 100 mun)

sorry if my eng is not very good :)
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Australian Magic
16 Feb 2016, 10:58 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 10:40 AMIA3 - HH


you have good inf, Engineer Squad have non doc Flamethrower, you have very powerful and cheap hmg, its very good for you
Penals or cons cant have non doc ppsh, ppsh is a smg and all SMGs are doc, also non doc ppsh = new problem: very OP soviet inf
also you cant have non doc T34-85, non doc T34-85 = T34-85 + IS2 together, then this is a new problem again.
maybe you say okw have panther and king tiger, yes its a problem and king tiger must be doc
for penals i can suggest Bazooka (Lend Lease program)(one model - 100 mun)


Ppsh on cons OP :lolol:

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Flying Dustbin
16 Feb 2016, 12:57 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 10:40 AMIA3 - HH

non doc T34-85 = T34-85 + IS2 together, then this is a new problem again.


Did you know there is a commander that does have T-34-85 and IS-2 together? Nerf pls, too OP.
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SupremeStefan
16 Feb 2016, 13:33 PM
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i hate that soviets are so much commander dependent. okw wermaht and even brits can easily play without any commander <444>_<444>
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=429076979 <- check my map
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DonnieChan
16 Feb 2016, 14:07 PM
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can someone ban this guy?
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Thunderhun
16 Feb 2016, 14:08 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 10:58 AMAustralian Magic


Ppsh on cons OP :lolol:



If well used (Hoorah, sandbags, M5), they can have a cost effective fight vs Volks and Grens easily thus giving the soviet player more than one option to maintain and push the frontline.

Im not saying they are OP, but making ppshs non-doc would create more issues than it would solve. Same with T-34-85s.
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Katitof
16 Feb 2016, 14:38 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 10:58 AMAustralian Magic


Ppsh on cons OP :lolol:



This is what happens when official forums are closed for too long :foreveralone:

Insane is understatement.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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vietnamabc
16 Feb 2016, 14:50 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 10:58 AMAustralian Magic


Ppsh on cons OP :lolol:


Whatever types of lubricant you are drinking, I want some of it too.
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Australian Magic
16 Feb 2016, 14:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 14:50 PMvietnamabc

Whatever types of lubricant you are drinking, I want some of it too.


No lubricant. I'm a tough man :foreveralone:
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Firesparks
16 Feb 2016, 14:55 PM
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okw final tech cost(includes truck): 900 mp 240 fuel

SOV final tech cost(includes medic and the two grenades): 1300mp 235 fuel



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Vuther
16 Feb 2016, 15:14 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 14:55 PMFiresparks
okw final tech cost(includes truck): 900 mp 240 fuel

SOV final tech cost(includes medic and the two grenades): 1300mp 235 fuel


Jeez, a 400 MP difference, really? So that's where they keep getting more and more Volksgrenadiers from...

Does that figure include the retreat point?
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Katitof
16 Feb 2016, 15:18 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 15:14 PMVuther

Jeez, a 400 MP difference, really? So that's where they keep getting more and more Volksgrenadiers from...

Does that figure include the retreat point?


It doesn't, but opposed to soviet side grades, it doesn't unlock anything mandatory and depending on where you place med truck, it can be ignored completely. Meanwhile, have fun playing without AT nades or medics.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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aaa
16 Feb 2016, 16:37 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 14:55 PMFiresparks
okw final tech cost(includes truck): 900 mp 240 fuel

SOV final tech cost(includes medic and the two grenades): 1300mp 235 fuel


morr likely
900/235 vs 1300/245.
And important thing is that okw tree is flexible. Can easily get late game tank unlock in 2nd tier while having 7 unit types available so lots of different units for low cost to unlock them.

Or rush to luchs which is significantly better than t70 and 55 fuel cheaper (realisticaly +25 f for greanades = 80 fuel cheaper). And after get 10cp panter callin with no tech spendings.

Plus it doesnt require engi work time to unlock. All units are on the map fighting while engies have to sit on the base.












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WhySooSerious
16 Feb 2016, 17:00 PM
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Doesn't matter anyway if you remembered that thread where someone posted a file that hinted at Relic's next patch.
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Australian Magic
16 Feb 2016, 17:03 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 17:00 PMWhySooSerious
Doesn't matter anyway if you remembered that thread where someone posted a file that hinted at Relic's next patch.
.

This.
Current high prices for okw vehicles are just temporary solution to slow down teching.
Just wait for side upgrades (Feb patch please)
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Bananenheld
16 Feb 2016, 17:58 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 16:37 PMaaa



Plus it doesnt require engi work time to unlock. All units are on the map fighting while engies have to sit on the base.

im on the same boat for this. either make vanilla factions tier buildings buildable without pios or let the wfa factions need a builder unit too. i dont think its fun gameplay wise that you need to sacrifice mappresence/mine building ability/wiring etc for teching up while wfa factions just can keep up field presence and tech at the same time.
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Sirlami
16 Feb 2016, 18:08 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 16:37 PMaaa

morr likely
900/235 vs 1300/245.
And important thing is that okw tree is flexible. Can easily get late game tank unlock in 2nd tier while having 7 unit types available so lots of different units for low cost to unlock them.

Or rush to luchs which is significantly better than t70 and 55 fuel cheaper (realisticaly +25 f for greanades = 80 fuel cheaper). And after get 10cp panter callin with no tech spendings.

Plus it doesnt require engi work time to unlock. All units are on the map fighting while engies have to sit on the base.


"luchs which is significantly better than t70" you wot m8? t70 is waaaayy better than luchs and comes only a bit later. Also soviets have their own callins that can fight that panther well.

I agree on the engineer part and on the soviet and ostheer t4 coming too late and costing too much.
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Firesparks
16 Feb 2016, 22:06 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 15:14 PMVuther

Jeez, a 400 MP difference, really? So that's where they keep getting more and more Volksgrenadiers from...

Does that figure include the retreat point?


the figure doesn't include the retreat point.


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Nuclear Arbitor
17 Feb 2016, 08:03 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Feb 2016, 22:06 PMFiresparks


the figure doesn't include the retreat point.


jumping in a bit late here, how many buildings from each is that?
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