Certain stealth issues (Commandos, JPIV, Luchs)

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1. Commandos Ambush bonus (+50% accuracy) is NOT applied to the entire squad; just the guys that fire first.

This is a continuation of bug #1 I reported in https://www.coh2.org/topic/48300/various-bugs-commandos-artillery-ninjas

(I previously reported that the buff has infinite duration, but I couldn't determine whether the entire squad benefits from it or not)

I tested that by adding a damage modifier to the first strike bonus. Hopefully I didn't do something wrong.

2. JP4 camouflage still messes with hitboxes, and allows allows the unit to dodge projectiles. Any ETA?

This bug is ancient, and turns a nice, flavor-ful ability into a balance-breaking ability:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQlfUJXOEaU

When combining this bug with the 0-second cooldown of stealth, this makes the unit virtually unkillable:

https://youtu.be/yRB1vIvTIE0?t=1m4s

3. JP4 camo detection range vs P2 Luchs camo detection range

In their respective tooltips, both units describe their "Cautious movement" camo as being detectable at "medium range". However, this only holds true for the Luchs.

Instead, the JP4 is only detectable at "short ranges" (ranges equal to raketenwerfer detection).

(unless of course you mean raketen-level ranges as "medium range", in which case Luchs could use some help)

If I am reading the attribute editor values correctly, the detection radius for JP4 is 10, whereas the detection radius for Luchs is 20.

4. (edited to add) OKW Overwatch Doctrine Forward Receivers visual persists after OKW truck death

When an OKW player chooses the OKW doctrine, their buildings are equiped with an "eye" looking sigil. These sigils signify that the OKW forward base has passive "maphacks" enabled.

When the OKW truck gets destroyed, these sigils remain active and snipping over the OKW forward base carcass.

I don't own the commander. Thus, I am not sure whether the player still benefits from the unit detection aura or not.

You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
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Regarding number 3, i wouldn't mind if the range were swapped.

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Same, actually. 20 range is not really that useful for the Luchs; 10 range is simply ridiculous for the JP4.

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The JP4 is a lighter vehicle intended for mobile recon, therefore it gets better camouflage

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8 Feb 2016, 06:04 AMBeefSurge

The JP4 is a lighter vehicle intended for mobile recon, therefore it gets better camouflage

JP4 is a tank destroyer intended for ambushing and destroying tanks, not for recon. Its current camouflage can be abused for avoiding shots

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I don't think you are reading the file correctly, when it comes to detection range...

As far as I know "detection range" is the range this units will detect enemy cloaked units and not the range they will be revealed themselves...

I am under the impression that cloak detection has only to do with the "range of detection" the unit searching has and not with any property the units being detected has...

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8 Feb 2016, 08:09 AMMyself

I don't think you are reading the file correctly, when it comes to detection range...

As far as I know "detection range" is the range this units will detect enemy cloaked units and not the range they will be revealed themselves...

I am under the impression that cloak detection has only to do with the "range of detection" the unit searching has and not with any property the units being detected has...

As I mentioned in my post, I don't know whether the values I posted are the correct ones.

However, I've tested this, and you need to be MUCH closser to the jp4 to detect it, than you need to be close to the luchs. I would say that the distance roughly cotresponds to the values I found, which is also why I posted them.

Other units' detection ranges:
- raketen: 10 (same as jp4)
- commandos: 5
- Snipers: 1 (I am guessing the ovserver's detection radius cones at play here)

All of these ranges seem to correspond to my actual experience with all of these units.

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7 Feb 2016, 18:16 PMMr.Smith

1. Commandos Ambush bonus (+50% accuracy) is NOT applied to the entire squad; just the guys that fire first.

2. JP4 camouflage still messes with hitboxes, and allows allows the unit to dodge projectiles. Any ETA?

3. JP4 camo detection range vs P2 Luchs camo detection range

4. (edited to add) OKW Overwatch Doctrine Forward Receivers visual persists after OKW truck death

1. This issue is in our database, Sorry No ETA on it yet.
2. This issue is in our database, Sorry No ETA on it yet.
3. I think this might be a text issue, I believe the abilities are supposed to be different. Added Issue to our database
4. This is a known issue. It's a UI only Issue. Wrecks don't detect enemies in the Fog of War.

Thanks