Different approach on adjusting the Ostheer sniper

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 19:36 PMcr4wler

...and suddenly even AT guns become decent sniper counters. Also any type of automatic weapon will likely just wipe them in a single burst. Remember that received accuracy counts for most weapons in the game. It's not that easy (at least that's my opinion).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 19:42 PMPancake Areolas

I agree, thats why I didnt put it at 25% like support crews. But 15% is fine. The only actual unit that could one burst a sniper is Obers with this. But regular units? Nah. Snipers still have a huge area of 10 range where they are untouched by infantry. But haven't you even almost pulled your hair out flanking brit snipers as okw, or ost snipers as brits, or americans, and they just soft retreat or hard retreat easily after getting shot for almost 5 seconds?

Brit and ost snipers are too durable and walk away too easy. 15% isn't overkill but I feel like it would fix it.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 19:52 PMcr4wler

ofc i have. but i've also pulled my hair out because suddenly that well protected sniper of mine gets 100-0'ed in less than a second by cloaked partisans that exited a building nearby, or commandos or whatever. 15% received accuracy increase would definitely be fine for all bolt action rifles (or other weapons with similar firing speed), but it makes automatic weapons exponentially more effective as well. Lucky RNG HMG/AA bursts etc. killing your sniper are just as bad imho. Normalising the aim time for all snipers would be a tiny first step in fixing the snipers (thereby giving all factions an equal footing, more or less, in countersniping).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 19:55 PMPancake Areolas

Do you happen to have stats of ost and brit sniper? I'm having a hard time comparing the 2. For a long time I thought the brit and ost sniper were essentially clones, outside brit sniper being able to damage light vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 20:02 PMcr4wler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWCP4o8058s

this video is probably better than stats.

it is slightly misleading, because the ost sniper crawls the last bit before his first shot and then shoots the same guy as the brit sniper, else he would have fired first. brit sniper shoots faster though, but has an abysmal reload time combined with a small magazine (iirc more than double reload time with half sized magazine). ready aim time was 0.375-0.5s (min-max) shorter for ost, iirc.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 19:55 PMPancake Areolas

Do you happen to have stats of ost and brit sniper? I'm having a hard time comparing the 2. For a long time I thought the brit and ost sniper were essentially clones, outside brit sniper being able to damage light vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 20:08 PMPancake Areolas

Thats not so bad is it? They seemed pretty nearly equal, aside from abilities. Brit sniper trades a little reload time for light AT power, which is helpful for kubels or scout cars.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 20:10 PM__deleted__

If you get rekt by building call in infantry simply plan mine in door and whole call in squad will perish if summoned

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 20:45 PMcr4wler

well, considering that after going through 24 guys in total and 2 reload cycles for the brit sniper (thats like 10+ seconds of reloading alone) the brit sniper ends up with more kills than the ost sniper. the ost sniper has little going for him, apart from the lower aim time (which, partly, makes him such a bitch in sniper battles, since if both snipers see each other the ost sniper will kill the other one before he can get a shot off).



doesn't work as ost, since you only have the s-mine field. on non 1v1 maps with multiple houses it's increasingly unfeasible, especially when considering how expensive mines are in contrast to partisans. partisans in general are super cheesy in higher up team games

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 20:59 PM__deleted__

plant only quarter of minefield near door. it reuires some micro to tell engis to only build that one (tell them to move elsewhere one the build what you want) but you get mined doors only for 15 munny

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 20:59 PM__deleted__

plant only quarter of minefield near door. it reuires some micro to tell engis to only build that one (tell them to move elsewhere one the build what you want) but you get mined doors only for 15 munny

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 20:45 PMcr4wler

well, considering that after going through 24 guys in total and 2 reload cycles for the brit sniper (thats like 10+ seconds of reloading alone) the brit sniper ends up with more kills than the ost sniper. the ost sniper has little going for him, apart from the lower aim time (which, partly, makes him such a bitch in sniper battles, since if both snipers see each other the ost sniper will kill the other one before he can get a shot off).

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 13:10 PMMr.Smith

Guys, no matter how much you increase the stealth cooldown (e.g., 30 secs), the cooldown on the cloak applies ONLY if the shot was fired from stealth.

What this means? There is a way to allow OST/UKF snipers to fire WHILE RETAINING STEALTH.

(Yes, I've already informed Relic about it. Yes, it's the intended design).



(yes, this works on all camo in the game)

Please share with everyone & abuse until rebalanced.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2016, 15:13 PMKatitof

This has more to do with half of con squad using NERF guns and other half using airsoft rifles.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2016, 00:53 AMMarkedRaptor

I've seen riflemen flank a sniper and not be able to kill it. I don't like that personally.