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Jackas4life
13 Jan 2016, 23:27 PM
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For those who remember back in the days of only vanilla factions (OST vs Soviet)

Once upon a time ago Grens could be equip with both LMG42s and G43s.

However this combo was known to be broken. However I believe this was pre-weapon profiles (Making the LMG best at long range instead of all ranges) and giving G43s a better close and mid advantage over the LMG.


However in recent times we've had the release of Brits and USF both of which can get double upgrades on their mainline infantry whenever it M1919/Bars/Brens/VickersK or Zooks/Piat.

and due to (in my opinion) USF powercreep, vet 3 Rifles with double weapon upgrades crap on all Ost infantry

Perhaps bring back G43/LMG42 combo on greens? it was taken away pre-weapon profiles.

and not always taken as a balancing idea but spending 105 muni on a squad is a decent amount.


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OuTLaWSTaR
13 Jan 2016, 23:30 PM
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Gbpirate
13 Jan 2016, 23:31 PM
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It would be weird to have a medium range and a long range weapon upgrade on one squad...although it makes them useful at all ranges (and even within 5m, LMG42 is still a buff to dps when compared to k98, I think). It used to be borderline OP (especially when using Jaeger Infantry Doctrine/ambush camo).

I'm not sure how it would be now. Maybe G43s would be reverted to their original long range role and 60 muni? If i have the muni I would spend it on extra upgrades for my grens, for sure.



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TNrg
13 Jan 2016, 23:34 PM
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This would really help ostheer on those close engagement oriented maps where they struggle because of how the faction plays IMO, good idea
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siuking666
13 Jan 2016, 23:35 PM
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Makes sense. Considering it's also a munition sink for yourself.
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13 Jan 2016, 23:37 PM
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PanzerGeneralForever
13 Jan 2016, 23:41 PM
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Double snipers vs USFs :hyper:
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13 Jan 2016, 23:43 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 23:31 PMGbpirate
It would be weird to have a medium range and a long range weapon upgrade on one squad...although it makes them useful at all ranges (and even within 5m, LMG42 is still a buff to dps when compared to k98, I think). It used to be borderline OP (especially when using Jaeger Infantry Doctrine/ambush camo).

I'm not sure how it would be now. Maybe G43s would be reverted to their original long range role and 60 muni? If i have the muni I would spend it on extra upgrades for my grens, for sure.



Well consider you can get both G43s and STG44s on stormtroopers and PGs, considering they only buff long range while nerfing short to mid.

Also if implemented in the current state, it would help deal with USF rifles and maybe help with duel bren IS (to me they can be a bit of an issue to grens)

And as said by Siuking in a post below

It does make sense considering it's a munition sink for yourself

E.G losing a squad and buff combat performance at the cost of muni.


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13 Jan 2016, 23:44 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 23:43 PMJackas4life


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13 Jan 2016, 23:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 23:41 PMPanzerGeneralForever
Double snipers vs USFs :hyper:


Effective, but 720 manpower for a specialist unit that can be counted easily by an M20 and above.

Although there is a muni sink into this, but consider that grens will be your main line infantry
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13 Jan 2016, 23:45 PM
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I disagree. I don't like this trend of being able to put multiple weapon types on the same squad at the same time, it just ends with all of your squads being identical. As it is now it is better to get g43s on half your squads and lmgs on the other half, to get a good mix of long and short range. This leads to much more tactical decisions like flanking with g43s while the lmg shoots at long range, etc.. With all squads having both g43s and lmgs all squads will become the same and this depth is lost.

This is one of the main problems I have with weapon racks and how they affect brits and USF, all their squads become the same.

I do not think that lmg42 grens need any buff, if g43s need a buff then that is fine but they shouldn't get paired with lmg42s.
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13 Jan 2016, 23:47 PM
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This wouldnt be a bad idea as long as when you upgrade both you get 1 LMG and 1 G43 with total of 2 "upgraded" weapons as USF and UKF only can carry 2 weapon slots.

Back then this would be 2 g43 and LMG with a total of 3 weapons and this was over kill

Also making g43 upgrade 60 ammo for total of upgrading both 120. as US and UK are this.
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13 Jan 2016, 23:50 PM
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this is just going to turn the meta into g43+lmg42 vs double m1919a6/bren gun.

I would rather limit the lmg on allied troops insteads. The Para and guards are fine due to price and performance. (for clarification, I don't counter the bar as lmg)


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13 Jan 2016, 23:50 PM
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Combining lmg42 and g43 sounds good in theory. In practice, this is going to be even worse than the Tommy vet3 bug:

- Grenadiers will turn into weapon pinatas the moment they drop to 3 models or below (kiss your lmg42 goodbye)
- What's worse, sometimes grenadiers will prefer using their g43's over their lmgs
- What's EVEN worse is that you will not be able to predict that behaviour; the performance of your grenadiers is going to be completely inconsistent the moment they drop to 2 models.

It all boils down to the fact that there are no weapon preference profiles in the game.
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Von Kluge
13 Jan 2016, 23:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 23:43 PMJackas4life


Well consider you can get both G43s and STG44s on stormtroopers and PGs, considering they only buff long range while nerfing short to mid.

Also if implemented in the current state, it would help deal with USF rifles and maybe help with duel bren IS (to me they can be a bit of an issue to grens)

And as said by Siuking in a post below

It does make sense considering it's a munition sink for yourself

E.G losing a squad and buff combat performance at the cost of muni.




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13 Jan 2016, 23:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 23:47 PMSkabinsk
This wouldnt be a bad idea as long as when you upgrade both you get 1 LMG and 1 G43 with total of 2 "upgraded" weapons as USF and UKF only can carry 2 weapon slots.

Back then this would be 2 g43 and LMG with a total of 3 weapons and this was over kill

Also making g43 upgrade 60 ammo for total of upgrading both 120. as US and UK are this.


You can't drop g43s though, they are not the same kind of weapon upgrade. The same reason you get 4 ppshs on conscripts and can still pick up weapon slot weapons.
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Firesparks
13 Jan 2016, 23:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 23:51 PMTobis


You can't drop g43s though, they are not the same kind of weapon upgrade. The same reason you get 4 ppshs on conscripts and can still pick up weapon slot weapons.


but you will drop the lmg42. It's basically the same deal as the vet3 tommies with bren.


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13 Jan 2016, 23:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post13 Jan 2016, 23:47 PMSkabinsk
This wouldnt be a bad idea as long as when you upgrade both you get 1 LMG and 1 G43 with total of 2 "upgraded" weapons as USF and UKF only can carry 2 weapon slots.

Back then this would be 2 g43 and LMG with a total of 3 weapons and this was over kill

Also making g43 upgrade 60 ammo for total of upgrading both 120. as US and UK are this.



So by your logic the PPSH upgrade on cons should only be 2 weapons? instead of 4,
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