Dive Bomb + Jt/Ele

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 04:06 AMNinjaWJ

I think this is one of the more powerful ability combinations in COH2. There are some that probably work well too, but this one comes to mind as being one of the most powerful. Jagdtiger or Elefant counters armor while any commander with recon run and the dive bomb will deter any howitzer emplacement. I am not sure of this combo in 2v2 but in 4v4, it feels a little broken.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 04:46 AMmiragefla

Make team weapons/stationary weapons(Pak 43, Howies, etc) not be one-shotted by artillery attacks. Let the crew die, but allow the player to recrew the weapon and repair it so you either need to drop double bombs on the gun or a concentrated assault is needed to kill the weapon.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 04:53 AMSmaug

this is a very good idea.

Also I would like to suggest that doctrines with heavy tank destroyers should not have counter to emplacements. for example elefant doctrine shouldent have stuka, so that artillery peices can be used against super heavy destroyers. SIMILARLY isu docs shouldent have il2 bombs to 1 shot pak43s.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 19:33 PMedibleshrapnel

Why not. Seriously, those commanders have been around since Beta, and now people think that they're unbalanced? Please tell me you don't play 4 vs 4 dominantly.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 19:41 PMAvNY

I have seen people complaining about this combination since these commanders have existed. It is not something new.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 19:55 PMedibleshrapnel

First time I've seen a thread of the sort. I do appreciate the clarification however.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 20:14 PMelchino7

I won't look for the vid, post or whatever but in Relic words: "Heavy artillery was a a counter to the Elephant".
You just need to look at the Jaeger armor commander and see that there's a recon plane and Dive bomb to notice that the statement is stupid.
People have complaint about how well rounded is the commander that it has tools to counter it's counter (besides artillery, really good at clearing AT gun lines). Although since the Ele is no longer an 85/100 range TD, it's been seen less in comparison to JT for teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2016, 13:44 PMKubelecer

Spotting scopes and recon flight are a bigger part of the problem

relic wanted to remove self spotting for ele and isu, and look what happened, isu can't self spot but ele still can for 30 muni.

Ele + spotting scope for AT and then recon + stuka bomb for anti artillery.

I don't think there is any commander in the game that has better synergy

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2016, 19:45 PMedibleshrapnel

Well, here's my 2 cents. This commander isn't widely used in 1 vs 1, as artillery pieces aren't dominant in competitive play, and the elefant has limitted utility and is expensive. So whatever arguments must be from a 2 vs 2 + perspective, then which you can complain about a lot, as everything above 2 vs 2 is unbalanced as shiiiiet.