Trouble on Semoskiy Winter
1 Jan 2016, 21:35 PM
#1
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Just played a 2v2 on Semoskiy winter both as OKW against two Soviets. The Soviets were losing the entire game, but one of them had snuck in next to my teammates base and was building up forces right next to the entry point for all squads and vehicles. They just murdered everything that came on the map and there was no way to stop it. I couldn't get near cos they had about 7 mgs and about 5 AT guns plus halftracks. I printed off two stukas but both died on entry to the map. I had no artillery in my doctrine. What the heck are you supposed to do when someone has map hacked like that, except surrender?
1 Jan 2016, 21:57 PM
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not "map hack". it sounds like good covert operation.
I know the area you are talking about. I assume you had the left spawn?
seems A-OK to me except that same thign cannot be done on the other side of the map.
I know the area you are talking about. I assume you had the left spawn?
seems A-OK to me except that same thign cannot be done on the other side of the map.
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1 Jan 2016, 22:14 PM
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I would suggest going back and watching the replay yourself to learn from it.
If you can't figure out what happened then post the replay and I'm sure someone will be willing to give you some pointers.
If you can't figure out what happened then post the replay and I'm sure someone will be willing to give you some pointers.
1 Jan 2016, 22:40 PM
#4
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Wtf do you mean you "printed off two stukas but both died on entry to the map".
1 Jan 2016, 22:48 PM
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Thread title fixed. To be honest it sounds very creative, I'd applaud my opponents if they did that. In fact I might try it myself.
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1 Jan 2016, 23:07 PM
#6
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not "map hack". it sounds like good covert operation.
I know the area you are talking about. I assume you had the left spawn?
seems A-OK to me except that same thign cannot be done on the other side of the map.
Yeah, was for sure a covert operation and yes, it was on the left spawn. I'd also applaud it, though there was no counter. So seemed a little unsportsmanlike, particularly since we were traditionally thrashing them until that point.
1 Jan 2016, 23:10 PM
#7
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Wtf do you mean you "printed off two stukas but both died on entry to the map".
I mean I moved my mouse cursor to the Mechanized tab and I pressed the left button on the image of the stuka.
The first one died as it was entering the field, since that is where they had their AT guns and mgs camped.
Second one, I moved the rally point, hoping it would enter from a different point on the map. But instead it came in just the same and was instakilled, along with all other infantry coming onto the field.
2 Jan 2016, 00:05 AM
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If you were thrashing them, where were the other units that were already on the field?
2 Jan 2016, 00:24 AM
#9
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It kinda just sounds like you got outplayed
2 Jan 2016, 01:22 AM
#10
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This sounds like a way to use Airdropped Combat Group with another Airborne player.
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2 Jan 2016, 01:48 AM
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You thought you were "winning" cause the other guy was amasing troops on that area. It's pretty simple: he went for a base rush. You either kill the troops or you answer with the same method.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
2 Jan 2016, 04:43 AM
#12
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I had troops on the field, but could not produce more, and in fighting nearer my original hq than my battlegroup hq my retreat was to my base one. Troops were picked off.
It's all very well for you to say I got outplayed, but it was actually happening in the fog of war on my teammates side, so there really is no outplaying as such, just covert base rushing as someone else said. I had no idea it was happening as we were occupied elsewhere.
You don't think its a bit game-breaking to be able to camp at the spawn point and destroy incoming troops and vehicles? There should be the option of alternate spawns in that situation.
It's all very well for you to say I got outplayed, but it was actually happening in the fog of war on my teammates side, so there really is no outplaying as such, just covert base rushing as someone else said. I had no idea it was happening as we were occupied elsewhere.
You don't think its a bit game-breaking to be able to camp at the spawn point and destroy incoming troops and vehicles? There should be the option of alternate spawns in that situation.
2 Jan 2016, 04:49 AM
#13
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You thought you were "winning" cause the other guy was amasing troops on that area. It's pretty simple: he went for a base rush. You either kill the troops or you answer with the same method.
Well, the other Soviet player on my side was very unskilled player so it felt particularly injust that they won through this technique. It wasn't that he was involved in the operation and his teammate only turned to that operation halfway through. It started with just a couple of Assault guns and mgs. I thought my teammate could handle it at that point. But it quickly escalated.
The thing is, I asked here for some ideas of what to do in this situation. You all answered with snobbery that I got outplayed. Fair enough. I accept that I was beaten, but I was asking how YOU would counter it... so far nobody has offered any ideas. So I take it you would have also been outplayed.
This subforum is obviously full of a bunch of Nelson Muntz's (Haaa haaaa). Try being a little more supportive.
2 Jan 2016, 06:00 AM
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woah woah.
you said "map hack". so i replied with "snobbery".
i think an obvious solution would be next game, place s mine there? or a bunker.
you said "map hack". so i replied with "snobbery".
i think an obvious solution would be next game, place s mine there? or a bunker.
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2 Jan 2016, 06:10 AM
#15
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woah woah.
you said "map hack". so i replied with "snobbery".
i think an obvious solution would be next game, place s mine there? or a bunker.
Would work as Ostheer but not as OKW. I don't usually have that doctrine in my arsenal. But what about suggestions for mid game?
2 Jan 2016, 06:53 AM
#16
Posts: 174
Can you upload the replay? This sounds somewhat unique.
Did you have no off-map that could clear them out?
Did you have no off-map that could clear them out?
2 Jan 2016, 06:55 AM
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a schu mine then.
but they can also come with a mine sweeper. or just place mech truck there if you are OKW.
i guess you can check on the area on foot every now and then.
but bringing the whole army there is very rare but enemy sneaking in a t34 or other dive tanks there to kill P.werfer or stuka is a real threat i'd say.
so mine would be best i think.
but they can also come with a mine sweeper. or just place mech truck there if you are OKW.
i guess you can check on the area on foot every now and then.
but bringing the whole army there is very rare but enemy sneaking in a t34 or other dive tanks there to kill P.werfer or stuka is a real threat i'd say.
so mine would be best i think.
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2 Jan 2016, 07:17 AM
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I wish I had the replay. Would make it easier to explain, but I went into another match straight after to assuage my frustration.
2 Jan 2016, 15:18 PM
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Well, the other Soviet player on my side was very unskilled player so it felt particularly injust that they won through this technique. It wasn't that he was involved in the operation and his teammate only turned to that operation halfway through. It started with just a couple of Assault guns and mgs. I thought my teammate could handle it at that point. But it quickly escalated.
The thing is, I asked here for some ideas of what to do in this situation. You all answered with snobbery that I got outplayed. Fair enough. I accept that I was beaten, but I was asking how YOU would counter it... so far nobody has offered any ideas. So I take it you would have also been outplayed.
This subforum is obviously full of a bunch of Nelson Muntz's (Haaa haaaa). Try being a little more supportive.
Whenever you find something troublesome, you MUST save the replay.
IDK: at what time it happened. CPs. Commanders. Number of units. Type of units. Position. Etc. If you give little information to work with, it's obvious that people will answer in that way.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
2 Jan 2016, 15:35 PM
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Posts: 732
veto semo winter as OKW
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