Conscripts VS Volks?

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 03:45 AMThe_Courier

Penals costing the same as Cons wouldNt solve the issue; the unit is simply redundant. The faction already has a fairly cheap, close-range basic infantry with Ooorah that is Ok at clearing buildings. Penals don't do anything Conscripts can't except having a bit more DPS, and they don,t have an AT grenade too.

The unit needs a role change. Either as tough, elite close range infantry (which then plays on the field of Shocks...) or my favored proposal, as Panzerfusilier-esque 6 man, medium-long range infantry, with a flamer upgrade that role changes them to an assault unit by unlocking also Ooorah or something. Or maybe give them lend-lease bazooka upgrade to solve the problem of SU's bad handheld AT. Something.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 17:57 PM__deleted__

I don't even bother going cons. I simply go maxim spam into Jesus troops into double at gun into IS2 lol

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 00:49 AMnodickwilliams

Pwerfer still has inherent disadvantage of being in wehr t4

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 04:41 AMBeefSurge

If you do this strat you need one Con squad for capping, protecting initial maxims, and snaring luchs.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 10:39 AM__deleted__

Yes agreed, but it depends on the map. If you have a lot of buidlings, you simply crawl forward with your maxims, while your engineers cap half of the map. Otherwise one con is certainly needed.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 04:27 AMZeaviS

I agree with this, the only reason to get penals is a more duable squad than CEs that have a flamethrower.

Cons are fine, they'll beat volks in a 1v1 fight ....

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 11:39 AMKyleAkira

So, what about 1xCons in green cover fighting at mid range vs 1xVolks in yellow cover with the result of conscripts having to retreat?

What about 1xCons in green cover and volks approaching to the green cover and making my conscripts retreat?

I've experienced that on early game several times.

Another one, 2 conscript squads at long range stalling vs 1 Volk in green cover, I ooray with the squad that is not receiving fire to get the same green cover as volk. I focus him, he focus my close conscript squad (I move the far conscript squad to the green cover since they are not receiving fire). He kills 3-4 models of my close green cover squad but at the end he have to retreat because another cons squad is coming.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 11:39 AMKyleAkira

So, what about 1xCons in green cover fighting at mid range vs 1xVolks in yellow cover with the result of conscripts having to retreat?

What about 1xCons in green cover and volks approaching to the green cover and making my conscripts retreat?

I've experienced that on early game several times.

Another one, 2 conscript squads at long range stalling vs 1 Volk in green cover, I ooray with the squad that is not receiving fire to get the same green cover as volk. I focus him, he focus my close conscript squad (I move the far conscript squad to the green cover since they are not receiving fire). He kills 3-4 models of my close green cover squad but at the end he have to retreat because another cons squad is coming.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 11:42 AMDomine

The game is very balanced atm and any change runs a real risk to upset this.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 11:42 AMDomine

Volks also cost 10 mp more.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 10:58 AMAustralian Magic

And then PzWerfer wipes your all maxims in one volley

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 11:42 AMDomine

Cons are a close range unit. Cover doesn't apply in extremely close ranges anymore. There's also rng in this game so I could tell you the same story with Volks getting beaten by cons. Volks also cost 10 mp more.

The game is very balanced atm and any change runs a real risk to upset this.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 14:07 PMvasa1719

/snip

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 14:27 PMDomine

Yeah alright dude, whatever you say the stats and the actual proof are against you.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 15:26 PMBlackart

Make PPsH non-doctrinal, avaible to equip after T3 is build and replace doctrinal PPsH upgrade with DP-28.

This will make Conscripts in line with other 4 factions main infantry.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 11:46 AMBananenheld

The effect of only remebering Bad things.
I guess you thought it was skill when the rnggods were on your side and you sniped that gren model with the First volley thus winning a fight which you had otherwise lost :^)