Conscripts VS Volks?

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 11:42 AMDomine

Cons are a close range unit. Cover doesn't apply in extremely close ranges anymore. There's also rng in this game so I could tell you the same story with Volks getting beaten by cons. Volks also cost 10 mp more.

The game is very balanced atm and any change runs a real risk to upset this.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 16:47 PMKyleAkira

I can't take your words seriously watching your playercard.

Sorry.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 15:26 PMBlackart

Make PPsH non-doctrinal, avaible to equip after T3 is build and replace doctrinal PPsH upgrade with DP-28.

This will make Conscripts in line with other 4 factions main infantry.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 16:55 PMKyleAkira

Playercard,please?

I am one of these guys that his stats goes to http://www.coh2chart.com/ webpage, stats that are analized by Relic. And I have 374 games as allied and 336 games as axis with my first 3 mates.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 17:02 PMUltimate26

How come conscripts are nowhere as useful as volks and the cost difference is only 10 manpower?

Did anybody ever wonder? volks have 5 Vet levels, access to nades, access to Shreks.

What do conscripts do thats as good as volks? the commander PTRS is a weaker version of the call in units, molotov is so slow team can literally wipe before the damm thing finishes throwing.

Only decent thing is the PPSH upgrade but its commander locked.

Whats the current justification in the units large efficiency gap?

After volks got buffed big time, do they still match their cost to stat ratio when compared to conscripts?

Could anybody shed a light for me regarding the facts?

Much appreciated

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 17:37 PMOuTLaWSTaR

Conscripts have:
Molotovs - Do same damage as Volks nades
At Snares - Sure Volks have shreks but you can snare tanks and finish them off with at weapons.
Vet 3- Increased survivability actually outscales Volks.
So... in otherwords. L2P issue.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 18:14 PMKyleAkira

Aaaaand that's why you play tournaments with USF and Brits.

Your numbers 2v2: with your mate UL, 310 games as axis, 21 as allies.
Your numbers 2v2: with random guys, (292 OKW+358 WERH) (21 USF+55 SOV)

It's not a L2P issue in your case, It's a TRY TO PLAY issue.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 20:50 PMSerrith

Conscripts in my opinion are fine. Penile bars are not and could use a looking at.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 21:46 PMVuther

I uh, don't really know what you mean.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 18:25 PMOuTLaWSTaR

Lol, thanks for the laugh.

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2015, 00:34 AMSerrith

Lol phone autocorrect.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 20:50 PMSerrith

Conscripts in my opinion are fine. Penile bars are not and could use a looking at.

Jump back to quoted post25 Dec 2015, 17:37 PMOuTLaWSTaR

Conscripts have:
Molotovs - Do same damage as Volks nades
At Snares - Sure Volks have shreks but you can snare tanks and finish them off with at weapons.
Vet 3- Increased survivability actually outscales Volks.
So... in otherwords. L2P issue.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 17:42 PMDomine

Except they were, and they had 100% income.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 18:44 PMWhySooSerious

Cons are still alot cheaper. They cost 5 less manpower to reinforce than volks. What I think Relic needs to do is increase reinforce cost to 28 which will increase the manpower bleed of volks or 27 since 28 may seem a bit too much.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 21:05 PMRedDevilCG

Isn't reinforcement cost tied to total unit cost though?

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2015, 18:26 PMnodickwilliams

Volk panzershreck is dumb. But conscripts are insanely more durable at vet 3. Oorah and snare is not bad. Molotov is the same as incendiary grenade, just slower animation, range, and half the cost.

Even at vet 3 conscripts still > vet 5 volks. Just the panzershreck lets them do more.

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 15:20 PMSWAIDAN3

Lol .. I can sware u didnt play with cons , there is a huuuge advantge for incendiary grande over molotv , I have seen volks many many times engaging maxim from front get surpress but could through their stupid op nade from very far range ... Volks can always counter mg without flank while its impossible with cons

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 15:23 PMBlalord

Hoorah + Molotov still cost 5 less ammo than incendiary grenade, and what MG is to fear against OKW, MG 34 ? ;D