Elite Troops Stun Grenades causing terrible gameplay

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 21:37 PMCafo

Moving is the counter play /thread

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 21:53 PMWhat Doth Life?!

Retreating is one of the core design aspects of this game. Stun grenades break it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 21:58 PMCafo

Moving out of the way of the grenade that is. If you don't you are punished.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 22:04 PMPercieis

If I'm reading what he's trying to say correctly, he means getting stunned while the squad is already retreating, therefore halting the retreat after it's started.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 22:20 PMWhat Doth Life?!

Yup. You can preemptively hit retreat on a full health MG before a stun-grenade animation even begins and still get it wiped because of this nonsense.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 21:32 PMWhat Doth Life?!

Issue: Stun Grenades cancel retreats and freeze the unit for far too long with no counterplay available.

Frequency: 100% of the time

Solution: Stun grenades canceling retreat seems fine to me, but players should be able to hit retreat again to continue the retreat.


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Put on your nostalgia caps here... remember Soviet wire in the original Alpha when they were patches of wire that infantry had to crawl under? I remember Relic saying they were removed because they interfered with retreating units and caused feel-bad gameplay. The stun grenades are an even worse offender for this subject and I KNOW Relic isn't biased for Axis

Thanks!

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 22:24 PMCuddletronic

Which units are getting locked up by the Stun grenade? Is it all Squads or just the weapon's Teams?

Thanks

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 22:47 PMSwitzerland

To the guy saying just move, the OP is mentioning that if you throw the stun ON A RETREATING SQUAD it stops them. You cannot tell s retreating squad to do anything, read the OP before jumping down his throat. Big beef I have with stuns is that they do a very significant amount of damage and drop models. Double punishment for an already useful feature, the stun itself.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 22:56 PMCafo

IDK man not everything requires counter play, you can chase down models that are retreating , and with what counter play is there? It could be a regular grenade that wipes on retreat with what counter play?

2 squads run into eachother your one drops a model immediately, where is the counter play? Stuns might be a little op in damage best ive seen is maybe 3 models killed and a large amount of health taken away to a garrisoned maxim...

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 23:12 PMWhat Doth Life?!

If you throw a normal grenade, bundle grenade whatever at a unit and the controller hits retreat, it may very well kill the unit but they will continue to pack up their setup team and retreat.

If you throw a stun grenade in the same situation EVEN IF ALREADY RETREATING the unit will stop and be locked in place for about three seconds and you are guaranteeing a wipe even if the unit was max health. It's overkill and I have a feeling you haven't actually played many matches, if any, against it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 23:17 PMCafo

I have but very few, the stun fades after a short time and u can do what you will, largely hasn't been a problem for me.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 23:19 PMWhat Doth Life?!

/your input in this thread

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 23:19 PMCafo

I think calling this a failure of no counter play is a bit disingenuous considering you have to be hit by the grenade firstly...

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 23:25 PMWhat Doth Life?!

Counterplay is just one of Relic's buzzwords I am trying to appeal to them. Of course there is no counterplay to grenades this isn't COD.

Nothing in the game should interrupt a retreat... period. Crawlers used to do it and it got fixed.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 22:26 PMWhat Doth Life?!

Set up teams and infantry both suffer the stun grenade's wrath.

Jump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 23:35 PMCuddletronic

Do you have a video or a replay of the issue? I've been unable to:

Stop a Retreating Squad with a Stun Grenade
or
Stopping a Squad from Retreating after getting hit with a Stun Grenade.

Thanks