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Panzer grenadiers are worthless without shreks upgrade

16 Dec 2015, 12:25 PM
#61
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From this thread (November 2015):
http://www.coh2.org/topic/44249/wehrmacht-a-no-show/page/3#post_id434009

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16 Dec 2015, 12:31 PM
#62
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Stick em in green cover, use them on the defence, and they'll beat countless enemy squads before they have to retreat themselves.


jump backJump back to quoted post15 Dec 2015, 12:45 PMButcher
Grens + LMG > Panzergrenadiers for cost. Grens do everything that PGs can do. They are more cost efficient and available earlier. Some people will say that PGs are good for defending an MG from cover. But that is way too niche for them to be worthwhile. Also Grens can do that just as well. They melt down infantry from long range.
Spam LMG Grens and you are good.
16 Dec 2015, 14:50 PM
#63
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They get steam rolled by double bars rifleman and at medium range both pz grens and IS in green cover..the pz grens still lose models faster.I would rather use grens with lmg as AI than pz grens 95% of time


You may stop spreading bullshit becasue PzGrens own RF with 2x BARs on mid range, on melee range it's pure RNG.
Not to mention IS, which are hard melted by PzGrens when both behind green cover.

PS
I wonder why you don't fight for 280MP + 120AMMO Rifles squad which loses to 340MP at almost all ranges :snfPeter:
16 Dec 2015, 15:12 PM
#64
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You may stop spreading bullshit becasue PzGrens own RF with 2x BARs on mid range, on melee range it's pure RNG.
Not to mention IS, which are hard melted by PzGrens when both behind green cover.

PS
I wonder why you don't fight for 280MP + 120AMMO Rifles squad which loses to 340MP at almost all ranges :snfPeter:
Thats complete BS, Bar riflemen beat panzergrenadiers easy at mid range. The Bar stats are vastly superior to the STG44. Riflemen vet 3 are insanely more durable than a vet 3 pgren squad. The mk2 frag nade is nearly identical stat wise to the bundle grenade for 15 less munitions. Pgrens are a bunch of chumps.
16 Dec 2015, 15:25 PM
#65
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Thats complete BS, Bar riflemen beat panzergrenadiers easy at mid range. The Bar stats are vastly superior to the STG44. Riflemen vet 3 are insanely more durable than a vet 3 pgren squad. The mk2 frag nade is nearly identical stat wise to the bundle grenade for 15 less munitions. Pgrens are a bunch of chumps.


Go home dude.









16 Dec 2015, 15:30 PM
#66
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:hansREKT:
16 Dec 2015, 15:36 PM
#67
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The Bar stats are vastly superior to the STG44.


Single Rifle BAR DPS after all modifiers - 15.228/7.400/3.808 (with reload 10.479/5.656/2.950)
Single PG MP44 DPS after all modifiers - 16.953/8.508/1.510 (with reload 13.219/6.795/1.206)
16 Dec 2015, 16:18 PM
#68
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pictures


Again images instead of videos.
Nice work Picasso, I realy apreciate your dramatic staging, but I would realy apreciate to see how it came to that, through a video.

Now I'm not saying it's not real, I just want to see with my own eyes the whole movie.
16 Dec 2015, 16:29 PM
#69
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2015, 16:18 PMJohnnyB


Again images instead of videos.
Nice work Picasso, I realy apreciate your dramatic staging, but I would realy apreciate to see how it came to that, through a video.

Now I'm not saying it's not real, I just want to see with my own eyes the whole movie.


lol, do you need to be spoon fed too? how about you just go do it on your game? troller alert

16 Dec 2015, 16:40 PM
#70
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2015, 15:36 PMnewvan


Single Rifle BAR DPS after all modifiers - 15.228/7.400/3.808 (with reload 10.479/5.656/2.950)
Single PG MP44 DPS after all modifiers - 16.953/8.508/1.510 (with reload 13.219/6.795/1.206)

I stand corrected, those are the stats ive always wanted to see.
16 Dec 2015, 16:41 PM
#71
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2015, 16:18 PMJohnnyB


Again images instead of videos.
Nice work Picasso, I realy apreciate your dramatic staging, but I would realy apreciate to see how it came to that, through a video.

Now I'm not saying it's not real, I just want to see with my own eyes the whole movie.

Then go do it yourself, he just gave all the proof needed.
16 Dec 2015, 16:43 PM
#72
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I stand corrected, those are the stats ive always wanted to see.

How? Where is vast superiority? Is it +2 dmg at far range vast superiority? And don't forget that there is max 2 BARs in squad and 4 MP44.

Full rifle squad vet0 with 2 BARs DPS- 38,601/19,82/10,208
full PG squad vet0 with 4 MP44 DPS - 52,876/27,18/4,824
16 Dec 2015, 16:48 PM
#73
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2015, 16:43 PMnewvan

How? Where is vast superiority? Is it +2 dmg at far range vast superiority? And don't forget that there is max 2 BARs in squad and 4 MP44.

He says he stands corrected, he is admitting he was wrong.
16 Dec 2015, 16:53 PM
#74
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^
Than I'm sorry, my excuses, was lost in translation.
16 Dec 2015, 19:14 PM
#75
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Really though. This is a troll thread right? Because if you're losing with panzergrenadiers against rifles then not only do you need to learn to play, you are also autistic
16 Dec 2015, 19:24 PM
#76
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Really though. This is a troll thread right? Because if you're losing with panzergrenadiers against rifles then not only do you need to learn to play, you are also autistic

It's 4v4 players not used to using cover before.
16 Dec 2015, 19:25 PM
#77
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2015, 16:18 PMJohnnyB


Again images instead of videos.
Nice work Picasso, I realy apreciate your dramatic staging, but I would realy apreciate to see how it came to that, through a video.

Now I'm not saying it's not real, I just want to see with my own eyes the whole movie.


I would also like to see a video, but not for the same reasons as Johnny tbh.
16 Dec 2015, 19:55 PM
#78
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Posts: 131

jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2015, 19:24 PMTobis

It's 4v4 players not used to using cover before.

Good joke,my stats don't tell a thing...ok ok.I use cover every time and even on medium range with grenadiers..with pz grens i go from long range to medium or close range depends of the enemy squad.Seriously,pz grens as AI it's "I lose button"i go mg,gren,gren,gren,mortar/t1 or 1-2 mortar if maxim spam.That's the best build that last until i go for pak,t3 skip and panther/werfer or pz4,pz4,panther.Usually i wipe some infantry with fragmentation bomb when they are at retreat point(USF,UKF),then i move my forces to help the other mates and then it's gg.I play with my friend as 4vs4 because we like bigger battles and the pressure it's bigger
16 Dec 2015, 20:16 PM
#79
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Good joke,my stats don't tell a thing...ok ok.I use cover every time and even on medium range with grenadiers..with pz grens i go from long range to medium or close range depends of the enemy squad.Seriously,pz grens as AI it's "I lose button"i go mg,gren,gren,gren,mortar/t1 or 1-2 mortar if maxim spam.That's the best build that last until i go for pak,t3 skip and panther/werfer or pz4,pz4,panther.Usually i wipe some infantry with fragmentation bomb when they are at retreat point(USF,UKF),then i move my forces to help the other mates and then it's gg.I play with my friend as 4vs4 because we like bigger battles and the pressure it's bigger


Your stats tell us that you are axis fanboy :romeoMug:
16 Dec 2015, 21:17 PM
#80
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Your stats tell us that you are axis fanboy :romeoMug:


Xutryn_X7 .........
Lol, you only have a couple games as allies...
not to mention you play mostly OKW... you only have 30 games as OST random...
I have 500 and I'm an Allies player. pz are strong as is. l2p
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