Well the NKVD really captured and killed many AK members (Armia Krajowa - Polish Home Army).
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9 Dec 2015, 16:04 PM
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9 Dec 2015, 16:20 PM
#42
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if we are talking of Vet 5 Jp4 spamming ambush strike yes, but without, no, Su 85 Vet3 do way more dps than Jp4
Oh yes. But still, the su85 misses way to often, I hate it.
9 Dec 2015, 16:29 PM
#43
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I agree to all three units underperforming. Katy was definitely too strong before, but its super crap now, the SU-85 needs to be re purposed to a sort of tank-sniper with high pen and lower RoF then it has now. The T34/85 needs a scatter buff, nothing else. Its way cheaper then the Panther and is a multirole, it shouldn't be able to take them head-on.
9 Dec 2015, 17:14 PM
#44
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SU-76 HAS THE SAME PEN AS THE SU-85 STILL
Where is the logic in this?
You can just spam AT guns and SU-76 with very little need to go tier 4.
There is no soviet super-unit like the Panther waiting for you at the end of the tech tree, just the joke that is the T-34-76.
Penals should also be a viable alternative to consider if you choose a commander with no call-in infantry, but as it stands they are a waste of manpower and munitions compared to Conscripts.
Where is the logic in this?
You can just spam AT guns and SU-76 with very little need to go tier 4.
There is no soviet super-unit like the Panther waiting for you at the end of the tech tree, just the joke that is the T-34-76.
Penals should also be a viable alternative to consider if you choose a commander with no call-in infantry, but as it stands they are a waste of manpower and munitions compared to Conscripts.
9 Dec 2015, 17:17 PM
#45
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Bring T-34/85 as non-doc, slight pen/scatter buff (price increase), world peace, green house reverted
and Sherman 76mm for US FFS, it's already in the game ...... the two most powerful war industry in WW2 suffering capable-generalist-tank shortage is way too pathetic....
and Sherman 76mm for US FFS, it's already in the game ...... the two most powerful war industry in WW2 suffering capable-generalist-tank shortage is way too pathetic....
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
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10 Dec 2015, 00:13 AM
#46
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SU-76 HAS THE SAME PEN AS THE SU-85 STILL
SU-76 does 120 damage (equivalent to panzerschreck or puma) while SU-85 does 160 (normal). SU-76 has 400 health (light tank) vs SU-85's 640 (medium tank).
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10 Dec 2015, 01:17 AM
#47
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SU-76 does 120 damage (equivalent to panzerschreck or puma) while SU-85 does 160 (normal). SU-76 has 400 health (light tank) vs SU-85's 640 (medium tank).
While I agree the Su-85 is a safer choice than Su-76 spam, I feel the penetration is a more important factor than the other stats like health.
The Su-76 can be massed easier, meaning the extra 40 damage does not matter if you have several firing on a tank instead of fewer Su-85. (also Mark Target commander ability)
Su-76 losses are easier to replace.
The Su-76s crappy barrage is also obviously better when there are multiple firing too.
The health is not a high priority stat as the Su-85 will be a unit that is sitting back out of range of AT weapons and dishing out damage rather than taking it.
Su-85 may have far sight but you may as well send an expendable engineer/conscript squad to scout for your Su-76s to similar effect.
This may be a case of the Su-76 overperforming rather than the Su-85 under-performing, but relic seems to think it is working as intended as they have not altered it after buffing it a while ago.
10 Dec 2015, 01:27 AM
#48
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I remember seeing a suggestion to make the T-34/76s a doctrinal call-in in Mech, Soviet Industry or Adv. Warfare, 630/170 for two T-34s at 9CP, from memory. Replace the 34/76 with a nondoc 34/85.
SU-100 in Advanced Warfare to replace the T-34/85 would be neat, imo.
SU-100 in Advanced Warfare to replace the T-34/85 would be neat, imo.
10 Dec 2015, 01:48 AM
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The katyusha should get suppression like the panzerwerfer, and the Su-85 should get better accuracy. T-34/85 is fine.
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10 Dec 2015, 04:22 AM
#50
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Well anybody here finds any use for poor old T-34/76 and KV-1? And now with flamer nerf and T1 out of meta, when will my M3 rides again?
10 Dec 2015, 04:46 AM
#51
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if we are talking of Vet 5 Jp4 spamming ambush strike yes, but without, no, Su 85 Vet3 do way more dps than Jp4
so what you are saying is the SU-85 could only beat a JP4 if it has vet 3?
Anyways, do you know how good the armor is on a JP4?
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10 Dec 2015, 04:58 AM
#52
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I reckon they are afraid to buff any units the Soviets have even through some are useless due to the fact they are probably the most balanced allie faction.
They may believe any buff can throw them out of balance. Then again, they cant become as bad as OKW this patch, can it?
They may believe any buff can throw them out of balance. Then again, they cant become as bad as OKW this patch, can it?
10 Dec 2015, 05:46 AM
#53
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Well anybody here finds any use for poor old T-34/76 and KV-1?
I try. Partyzans + T-34-76 and KV-1 + SU-76. Whis work but Guard Motor/Shock Rifle Frontline more effective, less vulnerable and easier to control.
I purchased almost all the commanders in the game and most of them are completely useless. I feel myself like a idiot. Well, at least I did not have to buy NKVD commander
...the Soviets...are probably the most balanced allie faction.
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10 Dec 2015, 06:21 AM
#54
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Wish we had the T-60. Pretty much dual Luchs' on tracks (in terms of RoF). Yes it dies to a stiff breeze; who cares, it deals out 20 mm death by the belt.
Also M4C w. 75 mm as an option, for flavor. And #realism, both the 75 mm and 76 mm M4s were shipped in as part of Lend Lease.
T-34-57 obr. 1943 (upgrade for the T-34-76 obr. 1942? Strap a 45 m-range US M1 57 mm gun [statistically] to your T-34 for the price of 75 MU and the total loss of your nearly nonexistent AI capacity)?
T-26 (why not ))) ); a slower T-70, has the T-70 45 mm and T-70 armor values, but only ~200 HP. Slap it in tier II or something for giggles. We can use the un-animated T-26 wreck model for all I care, just plz Lelic. Let me mass cheap T-26s!
Also M4C w. 75 mm as an option, for flavor. And #realism, both the 75 mm and 76 mm M4s were shipped in as part of Lend Lease.
T-34-57 obr. 1943 (upgrade for the T-34-76 obr. 1942? Strap a 45 m-range US M1 57 mm gun [statistically] to your T-34 for the price of 75 MU and the total loss of your nearly nonexistent AI capacity)?
T-26 (why not ))) ); a slower T-70, has the T-70 45 mm and T-70 armor values, but only ~200 HP. Slap it in tier II or something for giggles. We can use the un-animated T-26 wreck model for all I care, just plz Lelic. Let me mass cheap T-26s!
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10 Dec 2015, 07:05 AM
#56
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Wish we had the T-60. Pretty much dual Luchs' on tracks (in terms of RoF). Yes it dies to a stiff breeze; who cares, it deals out 20 mm death by the belt.
IRL Luchs was better T-60 in all: more crew, more speed, more armor and better cannon.
T-34-57 obr. 1943 (upgrade for the T-34-76 obr. 1942? Strap a 45 m-range US M1 57 mm gun [statistically] to your T-34 for the price of 75 MU and the total loss of your nearly nonexistent AI capacity)?
This will turn T-34 into minipanther. German lobby will no approve.
T-26 (why not ))) ); a slower T-70, has the T-70 45 mm and T-70 armor values... Let me mass cheap T-26s!
Why we need almost same units? Some armor car will be more interesting.
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10 Dec 2015, 07:14 AM
#57
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I'll start by simply raising the accuracy values at long range to the level of other TDs.
Stug, JPIV, JT, M10 n M36 with HVAP: 0.06/0.04
Su85: 0.05/0.025
This is probably fair enough
Katy - Probably reduce time between rocket salvos
I think the t34/85 is ok but the t34/76 needs some attention. Maybe increase it's fuel cost and penetration
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10 Dec 2015, 07:34 AM
#58
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This is probably fair enough
Katy - Probably reduce time between rocket salvos
I think the t34/85 is ok but the t34/76 needs some attention. Maybe increase it's fuel cost and penetration
Katy I agree with (maybe a small area of effect damage buffed as well).
T34/85 you get extra hp (800hp), better pen (160/140/120) and +10 armor (160 armor) over the T34/76 (150) armor, 640 hp).
The T34/76 pen is 120/100/80 and a panzer 4 pen is 120/110/100. Buffing pen will make the T34/76 imbalanced to the panzer 4 and would render the T34/85 obsolete. If anything, the T34/76 needs its reload reduced (higher than a panther atm) and reduced scatter (all soviet vehicles suffer from high scatter).
I would personally would love to see a armor skirts upgrade for the T34s considering the panzer 4 has 180 armor and with skirts, 234 armor. The T34s armor is almost non-existent.
Or
A economic upgrade for each vehicle in tier 4 (changing variant e.g T34/76 mickey mouse (the Germans called the last model) and the SU 100) so they will be more viable for late game. The only problem would be the bulletins as well as any current vehicles on the field.
10 Dec 2015, 09:46 AM
#59
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(changing variant e.g T34/76 mickey mouse (the Germans called the last model) and the SU 100)
CoH2's T-34/76 is already the Model 1943 though.
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10 Dec 2015, 12:46 PM
#60
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CoH2's T-34/76 is already the Model 1943 though.
Yeah, just had a look at the model and saw the double latch, dam. Still armor skirts is always a option.
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