The AEC needs a buff

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 10:25 AMsorryWTFisthis

NO. Please, we don't want another cehapass anti every thing Stuart for 240/35 fuel, lol

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 13:11 PMStafkeh

but also vs a P4 it doesnt do a job too bad.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 13:50 PMFiresparks

here's the problem

with a puma I would feel confident taking on a sherman, t34/76, or a cromwell one on one, provided it's a open area.

I can't say the same thing with the AEC. It's an inferior puma in everyway except for the scatter on its cannon. The AEC can't even take on an ostwind while the centuar is a sitting duck for the Puma.

Before someone say to flank the ostwind, the ostwind's turret have a rotational speed of 120 degree per second. That turret effectively turn instantaneously. The turret on the aec only turn 35 degree per second, the same speed as the wehr pziv.

The Puma is useful because it's an effective tank hunter as well as light vehicle hunter. Being merely a light vehicle hunter is too narrow of a role to be useful.

and the AEC shouldn't get a buff against infantry. The british have the bren carrier as an anti-infantry vehicle and the wehr doesn't need another stuart clone to deal with.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 16:50 PMcr4wler

Lets keep comparing stock units to doc units. I always wanted my pios to perform just as well as commandos ;-)

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 16:57 PMvietnamabc

Dude Puma is not a doc unit for OKW and OH version is just a clone. Doc unit does not always mean they are better like OKW Ostwind is exactly the same as OH. Pio would perform as well as commandos if they cost the same so please dial down the salt.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 17:08 PMcr4wler

Then why arent pgrens as strong as commandos? Mandos can be dropped everywhere with a free reinforce bunker... they can cloak, throw nades and smoke and on retreat pop smoke as well. All my pgrens get is a 120 ammo double schreck upgrade. :-(

In case it isnt obvious, i am mimicing your aec/puma rant.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 18:16 PMThe_Courier

Because they have different roles. Mandos are exclusively AI, cost a whopping 500 manpower, telegraph their landing zone to the jerries and are of course doctrinal. PGrens are more generalist, non-doctrinal and can be upgraded to use Shrecks.

AEC and Puma have the same role; light vehicle that sucks vs infantry but is good against other light vehicle. All things considered they cost the same, but the Puma performs straight up better, with more range and the ability to engage mediums while the AEC runs for its life from anything bigger than a Luchs. That was OK back when OKW had the ressource penalty, now it is not.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 18:41 PMcr4wler

Ahhh the hypocrisy... i love it. Snipers next... explain why the brit sniper is UP :-)

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 18:41 PMcr4wler

Ahhh the hypocrisy... i love it. Snipers next... explain why the brit sniper is UP :-)

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2015, 17:08 PMcr4wler

Then why arent pgrens as strong as commandos? Mandos can be dropped everywhere with a free reinforce bunker... they can cloak, throw nades and smoke and on retreat pop smoke as well. All my pgrens get is a 120 ammo double schreck upgrade. :-(

In case it isnt obvious, i am mimicing your aec/puma rant.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2015, 00:25 AMFiresparks

let's not get side track. The whole doc vs non-doc argument doesn't apply to okw puma vs brit aec anyway.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2015, 00:27 AMcr4wler

so you want to buff a unit that is in a perfect spot vs. one of the factions, but not against the other(s)... there's no way this could go wrong, right?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2015, 00:27 AMcr4wler

so you want to buff a unit that is in a perfect spot vs. one of the factions, but not against the other(s)... there's no way this could go wrong, right?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2015, 00:34 AMFiresparks

in a perfect spot vs which one of the faction? The AEC is good against maybe two units in the entire game, the 222, and maybe the luchs.

It doesn't have the AOE or the coaxial to kill infantry and lack the acceleration and range to take on medium tank.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2015, 00:46 AMThe_Courier

The only reason the unit is even a thing is because now Brits have no other option against the early Luchs.