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Should Churchills get their 280armor back after price nerf?

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UGBEAR
28 Nov 2015, 16:47 PM
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Relic is currently busy clubbing the UKF hard, as a only allied faction who could stand toe to toe to the the Aixs late game party, the core late-game unit AKA Churchill have been combo-nerfed hard meanwhile those glaring holes such like AEC/Sexton remain unchanged.

I played lots of matches in preview with friends alike, do feel the churchill now is a huge and risky investment and more even so after the OKW became resource tax-free, the OKW panther became the nemesis of those poor Churchills.

For me, the fuel cost from 150 to 180 is already dramatic, the old 1600HP is arguably too good for a damage sponge, but perhaps it should gets its 280 armor value back, and make it more resilient to non-uber anti tank guns(AKA pak43, 128mm)


and, I do feel all the long nerf list of the UKF might be a little bit rational? Plus, I do think underpowered AEC/Sexton and no projectile for 77HV/17pdr/firefly really needs to be looked at rather than a nerf fest.
jump backJump back to quoted post8 Nov 2015, 18:05 PMd0ggY
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think


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SwonVIP
28 Nov 2015, 16:48 PM
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no.
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hhhhh
28 Nov 2015, 16:52 PM
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yes

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UGBEAR
28 Nov 2015, 16:54 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Nov 2015, 16:48 PMSwonVIP
no.


a very constructive comment.
jump backJump back to quoted post8 Nov 2015, 18:05 PMd0ggY
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think


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Swift
28 Nov 2015, 16:55 PM
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Let's not bring user nationalities into this. Just because I'm from XXX doesn't mean I want YYY to not get buffs.
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UGBEAR
28 Nov 2015, 16:56 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Nov 2015, 16:52 PMhhhhh
yes



thank you, and why do you think it should be nerfed over and over again?
jump backJump back to quoted post8 Nov 2015, 18:05 PMd0ggY
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think


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Foxbat
28 Nov 2015, 16:57 PM
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Fuhrer disapproves. Axis must return to their 4v4 domination glory.:snfPeter:
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SwonVIP
28 Nov 2015, 17:07 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Nov 2015, 16:56 PMUGBEAR


thank you, and why do you think it should be nerfed over and over again?


It seems like you didnt play that much axis.
The churchill is still pretty damn good... cost increase is definitely needed
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Rupert
28 Nov 2015, 17:21 PM
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If there are "glaring holes" then the argument should be in the sake of covering the holes, NOT compensation via other imbalances.

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UGBEAR
28 Nov 2015, 17:39 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Nov 2015, 17:21 PMRupert
If there are "glaring holes" then the argument should be in the sake of covering the holes, NOT compensation via other imbalances.



40 armor value IMHO can't be that "imbalances" after the price nerf.
jump backJump back to quoted post8 Nov 2015, 18:05 PMd0ggY
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think


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UGBEAR
28 Nov 2015, 17:43 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Nov 2015, 17:07 PMSwonVIP


It seems like you didnt play that much axis.
The churchill is still pretty damn good... cost increase is definitely needed



ignoring the fact that OKW now is tax-free? The panther and even a JT is reachable even in 2v2 now.
jump backJump back to quoted post8 Nov 2015, 18:05 PMd0ggY
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think


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SupremeStefan
28 Nov 2015, 17:46 PM
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they should increase at start cost of churchill to 220 fuel and thats it. Why they nerf it so much I dont get it. Now people only use comet, sad that anvil is dead
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SwonVIP
28 Nov 2015, 17:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Nov 2015, 17:43 PMUGBEAR



ignoring the fact that OKW now is tax-free? The panther and even a JT is reachable even in 2v2 now.


and setting the armor to 280 will solve the problems against the JT?

Combinend arms with churchills and paks should do the job... the churchill is still pretty good at soaking damage... the big tank hunters will penetrate him anyways - as it should be...

JT got moved to Schwerer Panzer Headquarter which is a big buff for all UKF medium tanks... If you still want to use the churchill use it combined with the UKF AT Guns - although they get a mp increase they are still pretty damn strong... should beat a Panther without any problems.

After the patch the churchill is in the right spot imo... and yes I played enough Brits and the chruchill is definitely too strong right now.. especially the croc cost increase to 180 fuel is definitely needed!
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The Big Red 1
28 Nov 2015, 19:57 PM
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if the churchill can still be a meat-shield as it was intended to be thats fine by me otherwise i find it frustrating that axis get all if not most of the meat-shield/get-out-of-jail card tanks
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28 Nov 2015, 20:59 PM
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Kubelecer
28 Nov 2015, 21:08 PM
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JT is now a stock unit? Damn what kind of a preview patch have I played
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ferwiner
28 Nov 2015, 21:09 PM
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I guess it should. Relic went the long way of nerfing every single thing in ukf and it would be ok if not huge buffs axis got. Either one or another or what we will get is just a swap of imbalance.
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28 Nov 2015, 21:30 PM
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No.
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Jadame!
28 Nov 2015, 21:46 PM
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No, it health should be nerfed further to 1280 and cost decreased to compensate.
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