Introduce caches in OKW
20 Nov 2015, 09:19 AM
#1
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I think it is important to introduce caches in okw to lower your flow MP
20 Nov 2015, 09:23 AM
#2
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Why not?
20 Nov 2015, 09:26 AM
#3
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I have a better idea.
Now, that OKW have no penalties and STILL cheapest teching in game(cheaper then USF with considerably more powerful units in the tiers, especially schwerer HQ) with most benefits, why not put additional benefits of trucks(medics, rep crews, ZE GUN) as side upgrades?
Now, that OKW have no penalties and STILL cheapest teching in game(cheaper then USF with considerably more powerful units in the tiers, especially schwerer HQ) with most benefits, why not put additional benefits of trucks(medics, rep crews, ZE GUN) as side upgrades?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
20 Nov 2015, 10:13 AM
#4
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I have a better idea.
Now, that OKW have no penalties and STILL cheapest teching in game(cheaper then USF with considerably more powerful units in the tiers, especially schwerer HQ) with most benefits, why not put additional benefits of trucks(medics, rep crews, ZE GUN) as side upgrades?
Sure, the moment you have to pay for the Lieutenant, Captain, Major.
Also cheaper teching is relative (edited the numbers, thx elchino)
Costs for the first P4 295 Fuel
Costs for the first Sherman 275 Fuel.
Costs for the first Stuart 115 Fuel
Costs for the first Luchs 120 Fuel
It's practically mirrored.
At topic:
I personally don't care, salvage somehow gives you still a unique flavour, so I prefer it. Can't have salvage and caches imo.
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20 Nov 2015, 10:21 AM
#5
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Well theyre already getting 100% resources if you add caches it would make the faction even less unique than it was
20 Nov 2015, 10:29 AM
#6
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+1 to AchtAchter
you can salvage, so caches are not needed for okw imo. In team games you benefit from the other caches anyway
you can salvage, so caches are not needed for okw imo. In team games you benefit from the other caches anyway
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20 Nov 2015, 10:30 AM
#7
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How about a return of the old PE scoutcar lockdown, using the kubel instead? It'd give the unit some use beyond the 5 min mark?
For those unfamiliar, PE had a scout car that was the pre-autocannon 222 (so the 221). It could capture territory, had a light damage MG but wasn't meant to front line, and had good sniper detection. You paid a muni upgrade that gave it the ability to go static and lock down a sector, functioning as a cache. Kubel could do this neatly imo
For those unfamiliar, PE had a scout car that was the pre-autocannon 222 (so the 221). It could capture territory, had a light damage MG but wasn't meant to front line, and had good sniper detection. You paid a muni upgrade that gave it the ability to go static and lock down a sector, functioning as a cache. Kubel could do this neatly imo
20 Nov 2015, 10:31 AM
#8
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Well theyre already getting 100% resources if you add caches it would make the faction even less unique than it was
Well, its already less unique, being pretty much wehr/USF hybrid on steroids now.
But salvage is enough, they do not need more.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
20 Nov 2015, 10:35 AM
#9
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Something needs to be changed, maybe giving them ability to build catch or even removing salvage ability from the game
20 Nov 2015, 10:44 AM
#10
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I think that relic MUST add fuel caches to OKW and they MUST finally rebalance teching OKW around the availability of said caches.
In teamgames OKW would always get access to fuel caches anyway (due to OST teammates), and this had always been a thorn to balance. An ok OKW in 1vs1 easily becomes a beast the bigger a team-game gets.
Regarding salvage, one option is to make it doctrinal only (you gain fuel + ammo).
Another option is to make salvage it a unique upgrade (just like Tank Hunter doctrine Combat Engineers)
Regardless of the option though, I think that:
- The salvage ability should now be restricted to sturmpioneers only
- The resources gained from salvage should be looked at, and scaled down
PS: Yes, I know we focus balancing efforts around team-games too much; however I feel that this change will make balance a bit more consistent
In teamgames OKW would always get access to fuel caches anyway (due to OST teammates), and this had always been a thorn to balance. An ok OKW in 1vs1 easily becomes a beast the bigger a team-game gets.
Regarding salvage, one option is to make it doctrinal only (you gain fuel + ammo).
Another option is to make salvage it a unique upgrade (just like Tank Hunter doctrine Combat Engineers)
Regardless of the option though, I think that:
- The salvage ability should now be restricted to sturmpioneers only
- The resources gained from salvage should be looked at, and scaled down
PS: Yes, I know we focus balancing efforts around team-games too much; however I feel that this change will make balance a bit more consistent
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20 Nov 2015, 10:46 AM
#12
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Maybe add a special "opel truck" for OKW that could act as a cache?
And make it unable to move again once deployed to keep things fair..
That would keep the flavour of the army.
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And make it unable to move again once deployed to keep things fair..
That would keep the flavour of the army.
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20 Nov 2015, 10:51 AM
#13
Posts: 621
Well, its already less unique, being pretty much wehr/USF hybrid on steroids now.
But salvage is enough, they do not need more.
I just like the original idea of OKW where it was supposed to be the late resource starved German Army
Im all for getting a more balanced game I just wish they could redesign the faction while keeping the resource starved theme of the faction
20 Nov 2015, 10:54 AM
#14
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They will have 100% fuel income. This would be to much. Voted No.
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A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
20 Nov 2015, 10:58 AM
#15
Posts: 307
People think that salvage is the same as a constant stream of fuel. It's not even close, i scavenged a dead tank i get 5 fuel. That happens 2,3 times a game if i'm lucky. Also the enemy can easily destroy carcases of tanks and shit. Salvage is pretty much decorative only, not too much of practical,reliable solution.WTF do i do with 15 extra fuel??
20 Nov 2015, 11:03 AM
#16
Posts: 721
yeah salvage on okw is realy shitty it should be like the brits one
20 Nov 2015, 11:03 AM
#17
Posts: 1653
I have a better idea.
Now, that OKW have no penalties and STILL cheapest teching in game(cheaper then USF with considerably more powerful units in the tiers, especially schwerer HQ) with most benefits, why not put additional benefits of trucks(medics, rep crews, ZE GUN) as side upgrades?
This makes some sence
+1
20 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM
#18
Posts: 1653
They will have 100% fuel income. This would be to much. Voted No.
Voted for no also, and hey we're axis fanboys
20 Nov 2015, 11:12 AM
#19
Posts: 1930
add back in resource distribution instead. The ability should decrease your manpower in addition to the usual fuel/munition.
20 Nov 2015, 11:13 AM
#20
Posts: 179
They already have 5 levels of vet, so no.
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