Balance Preview Patchnotes

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 05:59 AMGbpirate

Wow...there's almost 1100 posts on this. Damn.
Anyway, these changes are all bringing coh2 in a balanced direction. Relic is willing to change/sacrifice initial faction ideas for balance which, for gameplay, is a good thing. This is an opinion and yours may differ.

Anyway, for the people above arguing about vet 5 OKW being bad because it takes so long to get or whatever. F1sh, for example, makes the argument that keeping vet units alive to vet 4-5 should give you bonuses. Sure. But when you look at it from the perspective of, say, a USF player whose rifles are stuck at vet 3.

I've had games where, at most, only 1 infantry squad is wiped the whole game from each side until the late game. Both players had equal unit survivability, but late game I get boned because my OKW opponent has extra bonuses for his soldiers while I do not. It is, frankly, stupid, for one player to be rewarded more than the other in this manner.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 08:41 AMKatitof

Also, while there were imbalances(eldar vs terminators being most obvious one), they weren't as severe in general as you make them seem.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 08:43 AMwuff

Balance is of course very important, but it is not the only factor for a game to become a successful esports title.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 09:27 AMKozokus

heartstone proved us, a TCG with inferiors mechanics than MTG

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 09:15 AMIron Emperor

The balance is indeed finaly getting some shape. I did some games against Aerohank in a 1v1 and OKW isn't OP. With normal fuel income and stuff your tanks come out the same time to 1-2 minutes later than the allied tanks. Although OKW tanks get way better in the long run because of their vet it doesn't mean that they're unbeatable. I think it's more about to make the OKW player missplay to take a tank/unit out of position.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 09:52 AMEsxile

Lol, the exact description of unbalance.

More powerful unit getting even more powerful than your with vet available at the same time than yours
You can do nothing except waiting your opponent to do a mistake to win.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 09:34 AMKatitof

Heartstone isn't TCG. Hex is TCG.
Its a card game, but its not TCG as, you know, you can't trade cards.
Subtle thing, but makes for a world of difference.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 10:00 AMcr4wler

Wait, are you talikng about okw tanks? Because it sounds like you're talking about allied infantry. Or chruchills.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 10:35 AMEsxile

didn't know infantry cost fuel. BTW, OKW has 300mp units available from T0 building and Ostheer HMG42 hardcounter to any infantry unit type also from T0 building.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 11:02 AMjackill2611

And then you get a shock when relic don't count your arguments.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 11:02 AMjackill2611

And then you get a shock when relic don't count your arguments.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 11:15 AMsome one

Does anyone know Ostheer sniper still has 80 HP ?

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 10:53 AMcr4wler

Are you talking about the mgs that get killed by the infantry by just a-moving at them from the front? Or crawling up to throw nades? Thought so.

Also you didnt say anything about fuel in your post, you gave your definition of unbalanced, which incidentally fits mainline allied infantry perfectly.

Whether this means that allied inf is OP or your definition is flawed, i leave that up to you.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 13:36 PMEsxile

Show me a recent replay of blob of Rifle/IS/cons being able to a-move and crawl from the far end of mg42 fire area till grenade range. Let's assume blob start with 3 units closely packed.

I didn't say anything about fuel? So you need a brain to understand gameplay and game mechanism. Give you a hint, T0 and T1 give anything to all faction to do infantry fight. You have all the keys right from the beginning and you don't need to wait for your opponent mistake to win it.

Fighting a OKW pz4 or panther with a single sherman isn't equal. As Iron Emperor says himself, your hope is on OKW player mistake to lose it. This isn't balance.

But Jackill is right, speaking with you is a nonsense from the beginning.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 14:29 PMIron Emperor

There will probably be a bug or something then, usually it almost insta pinned the units.

and yes, infantry does not cost any fuel.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 14:29 PMIron Emperor

There will probably be a bug or something then, usually it almost insta pinned the units.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 14:32 PMKatitof

Because he advanced near cover as well as the squads were somewhat tight, but still spread enough.

You might want to recheck where allied nades come from.

Jump back to quoted post30 Nov 2015, 14:38 PMcr4wler

reproduction rate 100%... if you think this is not what usually happens, then i doubt you ever play ostheer.



as mentioned in the video description and here: this is the standard distribution pattern that you get when you select your blob and then give a move order without ordering individual squads.



besides the point, like the whole fuel discussion was from the start.