4v4 can't be balanced, they said

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 10:43 AMkitekaze

You get wrong definition from the start.

4v4 is not 1v1 + 1v1 + 1v1 + 1v1.

Even there are 4 players, you have to cap 8 points. Not 2 points.

If you think you only cap 2 points, your enemy will take advantage and start ganging 2v1 or 3v1 upon you.

This is very important. I have seen many noob players camping peacefully while their teammate cry in pain.

4v4 in high level is often the same or even harder than 1v1, not only you have to coordinate with your friend, but sometimes you have to defend yourself against the impossible 1v2, 1v3.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 08:34 AMkitekaze

Fix several points for you.

ISU-152 spot commander is removed while Elefant 360angle spotting scope is kept.

JT destroys Churchill like knife through butter. With vet1 it can outrange and decrew atgun, 6 pounder included.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 09:41 AMBananenheld

i just thought about your "way those gamemode works" thing.
one thing i absolutly hate is how static they are. for example you got 17 cap points (including vps) on angoville, with a 50/50 distribution means you need to cap 8 points.
most 4v4 maps got roughly the same amount of caps or even less which means per player you need to only cap 2 points.

there is no strategy diverstiy in which way you cap and evreything is pretty static which encourages arty spamfests. 1v1 and 2v2 are just way more "mobile" and flexible how the maps are played

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 17:52 PMGdot

You literally do not have a single game played in 4v4AT. What makes you an expert on this topic?

If you had any experience in 4v4AT you would know arty is rarely built.

source: http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/viewBoard/0/steamid/76561198000494642

Reposted because of political correctness.

You've spent 3 days arguing with people about 4v4AT and you never even played a single game. This is more frustrating than your opinion.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 18:01 PMBananenheld

Was a long time ago and autoMatch refused to find a game so we Decided to join custom games. We only played 2-3 games True, but they felt like vcoh 4v4 so we stopped playing this game mode because we already disliked it back then.. ill give it a try in random 4v4 this evening just for you ok?

Edit: not like i ever claimed to be an expert and Thanks god this forum is there to discuss things.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 04:14 AMGrumpy

All four game sizes can be fun (Yes, there is a fourth mode called 3v3 that Relic cleverly hid between the 2v2 and 4v4 modes).

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 18:12 PMGdot

Discuss things? Sounds like you're passing them off as fact. Here is a quick recap of comments you made on this topic without having a single game in 4v4AT.

"in 4v4 you can do major fuckups and just stall with your mates because 3 people can still defend versus 4 people (attacking is always harder than defending), and no the same does not apply to 2v2 because defending 2v1 is harder than 3v4."

"thats why balancing for 4v4 is bad because its more about teamwork and not using units to their fullest potential."

"there is no strategy diverstiy in which way you cap and evreything is pretty static which encourages arty spamfests."

"meanwhile in 4v4 you have enough troops to cover most if not all of the frontline and sneaky sidecapping is kinda hard too which makes the game again static. maybe im totally wrong here but i never saw a 4v4 so dynamic as a 1v1 or 2v2, most often the control of the map did barely change"

"a massive spam fest to me and my premade friends. is it fun? yes do i like it to play "competetive"? no its just to much blobbing and to much arty"

This all coming from someone 'discussing' 4v4 with 0 games played.

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 18:21 PMvan Voort

I'm prepared to be proven wrong but I don't think there is much of a unique "3v3 community" whose balance concerns are different to 4v4.

Where 3v3 has unique issues it is with map choice, the number of vetoes and being put on 4v4 maps with one player missing

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 18:21 PMvan Voort

I'm prepared to be proven wrong but I don't think there is much of a unique "3v3 community" whose balance concerns are different to 4v4.

Where 3v3 has unique issues it is with map choice, the number of vetoes and being put on 4v4 maps with one player missing

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2015, 18:26 PMBananenheld

Ill put a "i think" at the Start of every sentence. Ive learned to discuss this way, someone states something and the other can freely correct it, add something or agree with it without needIng to say "i think" everytime.

Oh btw I think there are many people here who dont even play the game on a regular Basis, can you tell them gently to stop comment on balancing issues too?(:

Jump back to quoted post11 Nov 2015, 17:52 PMSwift

Let's bring this back to topic, whatever the topic was originally. Smack talking each other is something you can do in PM, but there are people reading this thread and we sort of want to get down to the nitty gritty of what is being discussed.

So please, keep it clean, civil and readable.

Jump back to quoted post11 Nov 2015, 16:36 PMIntelligence209

Some of you think your able to turtle or be carried by your other team mates, in reality, when a high skilled game is going on that will cost you the game. Yea your able to fuck up more in 4v4, but not that much more.