This argument being parrotted by allied players over and over,i believe the argument is dead after british release.
The british have equally good support weapons(especially after wehr mortar nerfed into ordinary unit),way better defenses,better teching,equally good tanks and YET they get superb infantry plus elite infantry like commandoes.
Yet no one uses this argument on them...no one.
How is its that wehrmacht can't be allowed have good infantry because of 'support weapons' while british can have both ?Why is this discrimination?
British totally superior to wehrmacht in every way.
Wehrmacht - 'Shouldn't have good infantry 'argument
5 Nov 2015, 09:28 AM
#1
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5 Nov 2015, 09:30 AM
#2
Posts: 928
No, dont buff Wehrmacht, that will leave us in square one when it comes to balance.
Brits frankly have been overbuffed tho.
Brits frankly have been overbuffed tho.
Had fun doing this earlier
5 Nov 2015, 09:32 AM
#3
Posts: 110
Wehrmacht is perfectly fine.
5 Nov 2015, 09:33 AM
#4
Posts: 1705
Wehrmacht is perfectly fine.
So why should british have both,but wehr fine ?
5 Nov 2015, 09:33 AM
#5
Posts: 498
Ostheer is fine in every aspect right now, the problem is us and ukf being too stronk
www.twitch.tv/rawv1 
usf 
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ostheer
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5 Nov 2015, 09:37 AM
#6
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I will agree that tommies should be 30-32 mp per man, not 28 mp per man. Their veterancy is also too powerful.
The 6 pounder is too cheap considering it's a clone of the pak40.
However, the mortar emplacement and 25 pdr are both useless, while the Wehr mortar and panzerwerfer are still powerful.
Lastly, the vicker have dps but frankly suck at suppressing. The mg42 is the superior mg by being excellent at both killing and suppression. The vicker is a bit better at killing but its suppression suck.
The 6 pounder is too cheap considering it's a clone of the pak40.
However, the mortar emplacement and 25 pdr are both useless, while the Wehr mortar and panzerwerfer are still powerful.
Lastly, the vicker have dps but frankly suck at suppressing. The mg42 is the superior mg by being excellent at both killing and suppression. The vicker is a bit better at killing but its suppression suck.
5 Nov 2015, 09:40 AM
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Brits frankly have been overbuffed tho.
The only brit buff they got was IS reinforce cost, everything else is a long list of nerfs.
Its beyond laughable to claim UKF have been overbuffed.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
5 Nov 2015, 09:43 AM
#8
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The only brit buff they got was IS reinforce cost, everything else is a long list of nerfs.
Its beyond laughable to claim UKF have been overbuffed.
They came out overbuffed compared to wehrmacht.They get way better defences like bofors and 17pdr compared to joke bunkers and s-mines,equal tanks,better teching,equal support weapons and still they get superior infnatry and elite infantry?No one asks them to use support weapons in combined arms.
Yet wehr can't have good infantry,something has to be either nerfed or buffed to bring balance to this.
5 Nov 2015, 09:43 AM
#9
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The only brit buff they got was IS reinforce cost, everything else is a long list of nerfs.
Its beyond laughable to claim UKF have been overbuffed.
Giving a faction that is designed to defend and have static units, with easy and quick access to pak 40 clone and anti vehicle sniper, a cost buff to their very powerful core infantry section that has bonuses right out of the box, results in a situation where said defensive designed faction gets very good offensive capabilities too, which quite frankly is broken. They are good at defending and aggressive early expansion now. The infantry sections are cheaper than grens to reinforce
It is beyond reason why this has happened.
5 Nov 2015, 09:48 AM
#10
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Oh God this thread, how are Brits good at defending? The emplacements are not even viable, they lack a vehicle snare meaning they can't stop rushes, their ATG is slightly cheaper to compensate for that, their portable AT weapon while cheap can't track and can't hit vehicles that move inside their lines, their mainline infantry is more expensive than other mainline infantry and are only good while in cover meaning they get shredded by indirect fire weapons, their elite infantry is the most expensive in the game.
Such ridiculous things I read on this forum.
Such ridiculous things I read on this forum.
5 Nov 2015, 09:50 AM
#11
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The only brit buff they got was IS reinforce cost, everything else is a long list of nerfs.
Its beyond laughable to claim UKF have been overbuffed.
I'm sorry, with all due respect, that is actually a huge buff.
An earlygame buff like that means that the brits can effectively trade Gren vs IS, esp when IS can win in cover against non MG34 grens without worrying about reinforce cost because this always wins MP war so it opens up a lot of offensive earlygame potential that the brits can have, which snowballs really hard later on.
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5 Nov 2015, 09:51 AM
#12
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Also the USF has been overbuffed, so buff the infantry of the Ostheer/OKW.
5 Nov 2015, 09:56 AM
#13
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Permanently BannedOh God this thread, how are Brits good at defending? The emplacements are not even viable, they lack a vehicle snare meaning they can't stop rushes, their ATG is slightly cheaper to compensate for that, their portable AT weapon while cheap can't track and can't hit vehicles that move inside their lines, their mainline infantry is more expensive than other mainline infantry and are only good while in cover meaning they get shredded by indirect fire weapons, their elite infantry is the most expensive in the game.
Such ridiculous things I read on this forum.
How about getting better range for their mg in buildings at vet 1, having infantry sections that get defensive and offensive bonuses in green cover (from stock vet level mind you) and have a sniper that can counter not only infantry but light vehicles and have a pak 40 clone that can come at the same time as said sniper and is cheaper.
Emplacements are shit, but neither OKW nor Soviets get good emplacements, yet they can defend, so my best guess is UKF can do the same.
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
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It feels handicapped from the start
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5 Nov 2015, 09:56 AM
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Buffing ostheer infantry would only solve the problem agaisnt usf/ukf, but what about soviets? Nerfing usf would be the best solution right now, maybe some small nerf to ukf would work out also
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5 Nov 2015, 09:59 AM
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Am I only one that thinks that ostheer support weapons (MG, mortar, ATG) as well as sniper is better?
5 Nov 2015, 10:03 AM
#16
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How about getting better range for their mg in buildings at vet 1, having infantry sections that get defensive and offensive bonuses in green cover (from stock vet level mind you) and have a sniper that can counter not only infantry but light vehicles and have a pak 40 clone that can come at the same time as said sniper and is cheaper.
Emplacements are shit, but neither OKW nor Soviets get good emplacements, yet they can defend, so my best guess is UKF can do the same.
Ridiculous, a sniper can't counter a scout car, it's perfectly viable to kill the sniper with it, unless you think the sniper is going to have 40 seconds to shoot the scout car down, not to mention ost always has the mortar and sniper option and OKW has the Leig which does wonders against a faction that is forced in cover to be effective.
5 Nov 2015, 10:05 AM
#17
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Ridiculous, a sniper can't counter a scout car, it's perfectly viable to kill the sniper with it, unless you think the sniper is going to have 40 seconds to shoot the scout car down, not to mention ost always has the mortar and sniper option and OKW has the Leig which does wonders against a faction that is forced in cover to be effective.
It can stun a 222, which gives it enough time to run away to its pak 40 clone that is hiding in the back for a meager 280 mp, mind you this thing comes around the same time as said sniper. If you want to rush your 222 after said sniper, good luck with losing it. Not to mention that 222 has problems with one infantry section in green cover
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
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5 Nov 2015, 10:07 AM
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Ridiculous, a sniper can't counter a scout car, it's perfectly viable to kill the sniper with it, unless you think the sniper is going to have 40 seconds to shoot the scout car down, not to mention ost always has the mortar and sniper option and OKW has the Leig which does wonders against a faction that is forced in cover to be effective.
222 loses to infantry section in green cover 1v1, a critted 222 will lose even more&faster
( you did support your sniper with infantry, didnt you?)
5 Nov 2015, 10:09 AM
#19
Posts: 1705
Ridiculous, a sniper can't counter a scout car, it's perfectly viable to kill the sniper with it, unless you think the sniper is going to have 40 seconds to shoot the scout car down, not to mention ost always has the mortar and sniper option and OKW has the Leig which does wonders against a faction that is forced in cover to be effective.
Talking bullshit here.The sniper is regularly critting 222,countering its own counter.
Vickers is excellent and 6pdr better than pak.
Plus they get the bofors and a non-doctrinal pak43 in 17pdr.
Still they get superb tommies with 5 man and 2 weapons unlock,brute vet and cover bonus.Plus elite infantry like commandoes.But when wehr infantry needs buff,u people lecture use support weapons?Why don't u say the same to brits?
Better teching,and don' even want to bring up tulips.
5 Nov 2015, 10:10 AM
#20
Posts: 179
Facepalm. This post.
Wehr is completely fine, except for maybe the 222 should be 30 Fuel, fire arms resistant and should get its 50 muni upgrade to the 20mm back.
Wehr is completely fine, except for maybe the 222 should be 30 Fuel, fire arms resistant and should get its 50 muni upgrade to the 20mm back.
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