Petition to give OKW a non-doctrinal MG

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2015, 15:42 PM_GarbageMan_

You have kubel, ISG, and Flack. You have the best combined suppression in the game in my book. Just works in another way.

People saying the mg34 is crap never used the USF 50 that get's instant murdered by a rifle grenade because of the grouping of models.

Or the Russian version where if it get's flame naded, all the models flip out trying to play hot potato picking up the MG until they die.

Cry more please.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2015, 07:04 AMJohnnyB

Signed.

With a side note though: it won't be good for OKW to have access on 2 supression platforms (one mobile, one static). Imagine for instance what will happen if we simply switch between kubel and mg34.
Mg34, being a stock unit, will be built almost every game. Chosing one doctrine with kubel, that would give you in eraly game 2 suppression platforms - one static, one mobile - that could give you a to important advantage.
Of course I am aware that you can do this today too, if choosing an MG34 doctrine, but the phenomenon will be so much spread if we make mg34 non doctrinal and just switch the 2 units between them.

So my side note is in fact: make Mg34 a stock unit - in hq or med truck (most appropriate in hq), make kuble doctrinal in luftwaffe and fortifications, BUT remove supression from kubel, give it ability to decap and cap territory and increase its DPS with a small margin to make it still viable in early infantry confrontations.

I think that making MG34 a stock unit would be the safest way to change OKW because this way we won't have to change volks AI performance.

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 03:58 AMKoufromMizuchi

It's you that crying for defending Allies.

Plenty of people explained above why kubel doesn't replace ordinary MG's position.
Seriously, can you say that USF and Soviet do not need MG because they have light vehicle suppression platform?
USF even have pack howie, yet they have 50cal.

If you talk about flame nade and rifle nade, it's same on Axis MG teams.
Try to check conditions on each factions before you say other people crying.

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 15:09 PM_GarbageMan_

You must never play then. The AXIS mg's do not play hot potato when getting fire damaged like the russians, and no we do not have a rifle grenade that can shoot off and wipe an entire MG team before being suppressed like the USF's.

I believe the kubel it's a good substitute for the beginning, with flack translating into the mid. Ha if you want everything equal how about you give all the allies bases flack? Give us ISG's that can be spammed and instant pin ? (the howi can't be spammed without losing) Or allow our bases to move around and shoot flack?

Each faction has their advantages. OKW doctorine MG's is not one of them. If you wanted it, give us a dodge or a scout car that has the suppression of a kubel that can take 2-3 AT hits as well. Or a base flack base defenses.

You can't have everything. OKW is about combined arms suppression.

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 15:22 PMvarunax

And giving USF a mortar squad would make them OP too right?

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 03:58 AMKoufromMizuchi

It's you that crying for defending Allies.

Plenty of people explained above why kubel doesn't replace ordinary MG's position.
Seriously, can you say that USF and Soviet do not need MG because they have light vehicle suppression platform?
USF even have pack howie, yet they have 50cal.

If you talk about flame nade and rifle nade, it's same on Axis MG teams.
Try to check conditions on each factions before you say other people crying.

Jump back to quoted post4 Nov 2015, 05:40 AMAntilles950

.... I don't care about balance ......

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 21:18 PMKatitof

That increased shoot and sight range or that suppression on non suppression platform, that dual acc or rec acc bonus, such cosmetics, much useless.

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 21:10 PMcomm_ash

While a nondoctrinal mg would help, I would rather see volksgrenadiers reworked. Make them cost 300 mp and more popcap, with better stock rifles (grenadier stats?). After 1 truck is built, they can upgrade to either 1 panzershreck and the ability to build sandbags, or 3 STGs and some kind of utility ability (smoke?).

This way, blobbing volks becomes less of an issue, due to their high cost. It will also lessen OKWs propensity to float.

In return, OKW finally gets a good scaling basic infantry force, which can be useful on the assault with STGs, or on the defensive with their rifles and sandbags. It will also make OKW feel more like the specialist army that it was originally, and make OKW more decision based as to where they want their munitions going, making them feel more 'starved'.

Thats just my view on the matter though.

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 21:18 PMKatitof

That increased shoot and sight range or that suppression on non suppression platform, that dual acc or rec acc bonus, such cosmetics, much useless.

Jump back to quoted post5 Nov 2015, 21:10 PMcomm_ash

While a nondoctrinal mg would help, I would rather see volksgrenadiers reworked. Make them cost 300 mp and more popcap, with better stock rifles (grenadier stats?). After 1 truck is built, they can upgrade to either 1 panzershreck and the ability to build sandbags, or 3 STGs and some kind of utility ability (smoke?).

This way, blobbing volks becomes less of an issue, due to their high cost. It will also lessen OKWs propensity to float.

In return, OKW finally gets a good scaling basic infantry force, which can be useful on the assault with STGs, or on the defensive with their rifles and sandbags. It will also make OKW feel more like the specialist army that it was originally, and make OKW more decision based as to where they want their munitions going, making them feel more 'starved'.

Thats just my view on the matter though.