OH recent buffs. Justification?

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2015, 18:08 PMaaa

During last several patches OH has benn buffed into cheat-faction.

1. starting MP buff - gave them 1 squad advantage right from the start for the whole game.

2. 222 and 251 buffs turn penals and M3 into shit, that no one uses anymore. And made teching to T3 easier in general

3. T3476 - previously key unit, have been removed from T3 (and from the game). That opened a huge window of oportunities for OH mediums and faction in general. Because one must be an idiot to lose p4 or ostwind only to ATGs on urban maps (most maps). P4 can survive 4 ATG shots - they are invinsible to any midgame unit mix. While the do huge dmg to anything.

4. Tank’s smoke and speed abilities - that allows any noob to save his tanks after careless play. What is the corresponding ability of 3485? There absolutely no ability of any use for 3485.

I can list more things that makes this faction blatantly OP. But not to waste time I say only about 4.

Anyone says to make a game suited for competititve play there must be close to equal oportunities for all sides. Ocf games showed that there is no counterplau vs OH thanks to recent direct and inderect buffs to this faction.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 11:58 AMbicho1

dont listen to ather ppl thet say OH is weak OH is not OP ,
we need to fight awer way to a better ballance
i have more then 700 hours gameplay No.500 with OH and usf on the LEADERBOARDS so i am the avrage player

1. OH greens granads no timer [ but u can hear they scream granade !!! hoo and witch group is it if i have 5 goups all in fight ?
german animation is harder to see when they shoot the granade german troop sit and shoot wille

usf\sovits\UKF throw it u can clearly see the moving guy with the granade [his hand ]

so gemans have the animation and the timer to react wille allice need to pray god

2.german armore is so good ppl will say ye thets how it was in ww2 but guys its a game we need ballance
wuts harder to control 1 good german armore like a panter or 3 shurmans with shurmans u need to flank thet means u can hit a mine u need to micro all of them + ur troops wille the german player just w8 for u .

3.usf rifel man late game feel under powerd why ? cos late game greens have lmgs + vet 3 rifelman will never win them far range thet means u need to come closer until then you lose 2 or 3 guys from ech rifelman group


when it comes to micro its ezer to play OH cos ur troops are stronger they stand at one place u dont need to do much so u have time to control ur 1 panter properly wille usf \ sovit player need to try hard all game to flank not hit mines contol all army + not durble tanks

avrage player like me cant win vs same avrage player on the germans side [ cos micro is ezer]

sorry for bad english

avrage

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 11:58 AMbicho1

dont listen to ather ppl thet say OH is weak OH is not OP ,
we need to fight awer way to a better ballance
i have more then 700 hours gameplay No.500 with OH and usf on the LEADERBOARDS so i am the avrage player

1. OH greens granads no timer [ but u can hear they scream granade !!! hoo and witch group is it if i have 5 goups all in fight ?
german animation is harder to see when they shoot the granade german troop sit and shoot wille

usf\sovits\UKF throw it u can clearly see the moving guy with the granade [his hand ]

so gemans have the animation and the timer to react wille allice need to pray god

2.german armore is so good ppl will say ye thets how it was in ww2 but guys its a game we need ballance
wuts harder to control 1 good german armore like a panter or 3 shurmans with shurmans u need to flank thet means u can hit a mine u need to micro all of them + ur troops wille the german player just w8 for u .

3.usf rifel man late game feel under powerd why ? cos late game greens have lmgs + vet 3 rifelman will never win them far range thet means u need to come closer until then you lose 2 or 3 guys from ech rifelman group


when it comes to micro its ezer to play OH cos ur troops are stronger they stand at one place u dont need to do much so u have time to control ur 1 panter properly wille usf \ sovit player need to try hard all game to flank not hit mines contol all army + not durble tanks

avrage player like me cant win vs same avrage player on the germans side [ cos micro is ezer]

sorry for bad english

avrage

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2015, 19:05 PMKatitof

I'd like to see aaa and ostherlitz locked down in the same room for the night with a single wooden plank in the middle of it.

Jump back to quoted post18 Oct 2015, 19:31 PMShanka

but yes su is sheit at AI beside his arty barrage that miss all the time

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 16:04 PMaaa

funny thing just after patch release i remeber reading the whole topic and random posts that crap barrage of SU76 is OP and must cost muni.
Whatever they do to su76 is irrelevant cuz at that moment one needs a unit that can tank dmg and be imune to supression just like 3476 was. Su76 is a fail.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 09:10 AMAchtAchter

While I partly agree on team games (3vs3+), this assumption doesn't work out in 1vs1 games as all the ladders are separated, hence the ladder with the most players should've the highest winning rate, as we have most players competing there. Yet this is not the case and balance problems in 1vs1 amplify in team games, that's why 2vs2 is in even a worse state.
In 1vs1 you just wait longer to get a proper ranked opponent as allies, it doesn't mean you get more noobs to bash - rather less.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 10:40 AMEsxile

And what? You want the 221 being natural counter to 2x more expensive vehicles? 221 counter HTs or T70 while costing peanuts?

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 09:10 AMAchtAchter

While I partly agree on team games (3vs3+), this assumption doesn't work out in 1vs1 games as all the ladders are separated, hence the ladder with the most players should've the highest winning rate, as we have most players competing there. Yet this is not the case and balance problems in 1vs1 amplify in team games, that's why 2vs2 is in even a worse state.
In 1vs1 you just wait longer to get a proper ranked opponent as allies, it doesn't mean you get more noobs to bash - rather less.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 16:50 PMDullahan

The only way to fix this is to simply include the majority of the community and get a overall faction winrate but this won't represent high level play but will give an accurate idea of how the factions stack up in the game mode or to filter games that are outside the arbitrary high skill bracket.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 00:08 AMaaa

it was later counter, that hindered early game mines, grenades and lmg. Now it doesnt. All of that are pretty strong even OP.




can you show some games of top 100 players when SU 76 survived at least after 10 CP and was at least vet 2. If you say its playable.

I think you wont find single game cuz SU 76 gets countered right after arrival - any of ATG, AT infantry, P4 means no su76 can be effective.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2015, 09:16 AMEsxile

It has no role because meta isn't M3/M20/Dodge/UC spam/rush anymore. Its sole purpose is to counter light vehicle start and to give vision with its vet. Axis players want to buff it by lazyness, having a unit that counter early inf + early vehicles for a really small price because they don't micro their squads.
Ironically, the free upgrade killed even more the meta it belong to since nobody is going to spend fuel on a M3/M20/Dodge to be automatically counter by a brainless 221 coming 3 minutes later.

You want an early AI vehicle, build a 251 + flammer upgrade, or whine better/stronger/harder to have the upgrade for free like you did with the 221.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2015, 19:50 PMKeaper!

Yea the SU meta vs OH is pretty stale but OH is far from "cheat mode OP" as you claim it.

Really surprised to see the replies stating that OH is weak though, it most certainly isn't. It is in a way better spot balance-wise than OKW and the win-rates will be just fine when the KV8/pack howie/croc/centaur/etc nerfs hit next patch. Go watch the OCF and SSC4 later rounds and finals if you believe otherwise.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2015, 21:03 PMZyllen

The oh is weak because of the m5 quad and stuart/m20. the soviets and usf gain so much initiative and a rather huge advantage at the seven minute mark that you have to play a lot better. brits have some problems with churchiil but besides that its a whole lot better balanced.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2015, 22:51 PMKeaper!

different factions should be strong a different points in the game