old CoH fan, how does CoH2 compare?

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 05:22 AMDiogenes5

Other than vaulting, you're smoking crack. The COH2 UI is so incredibly bad vs the original, reversing is a joke now and vehicles dance like they are having an epileptic seizure when you use reverse when in vCOH it was easy just to shift click back up.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2015, 07:03 AMBasilone

Pros
+ regular balance patches to keep things fresh
+ coh2 Brits are far better designed than vcoh Brits (which makes 2v2 rival coh1)
+ some micro stuff (reverse button, reinforcing all infantry units at same time not individual)
+ probably new factions coming
+ changes to sniper functionality
+ no more hidden trust rating disconnect arbitration bullshit

Cons
- poorly optimized
- No leaderboards in-game
- 2v2 AT is vs random teams and arranged teams lel
- micro transaction doctrines, prepare to open your wallet - MINUS THIS
- changes to pop cap system from coh1 leads to getting pop capped and income bogged down with far less units on the field usually (less advantage for great multi task players) - MINUS THIS
- meta game, while always changing, is still pretty shallow in almost every patch due to lack of fuel based upgrades and certain units being very dominant in most patches to date
- far more instant squad wipes from huge mine hits, demo charges, certain tanks or nades, etc
- you can't micro out of infantry 1 use AT abilities (like US sticky bombs of panzferfausts) once the ability is activated it will shoot you from across the map or though a building lol - MINUS THIS
- not a fan of every faction using the same vet system thats based on damage dealt and received (personal preference) - MINUS THIS
- vaulting doesn't really add much, it just detracts from positioning importance in the early game since every fence/wall is now a viable flank route - MINUS THIS



If you played vcoh competitively in 1v1 and that was all you cared for, you will probably be disappointed. If you want to go back to coh1 the 1v1 ladder is still pretty active, but there is almost no competitive community support these days such as tournaments or shoutcasts. 2v2 AT in coh1 IS a ghost town, but you'll probably enjoy coh2 if you're in to team games.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 06:52 AMWhySooSerious

Not sure about the micro transition doctrines though, commanders are rather easy to farm like 0% hassle in farming at all just have to wait a bit and ye got your free commander. I also kinda like the AT nade flying across the map thing cause well you walked into it and it goes as long as theres line of sight. If theres no line of sight the AT nade/Faust will just land on the ground. And its funny By intentions that relic has for this game there are more pros than cons. (added - MINUS THIS to show what shouldnt count as a con by intentions and others mentioned in my post)

P.S. We might see Relic optimize the game once they're done with whatever plan they have for coh2. They always seem to pull something out of nowhere and put it in once we are satisfied with the balance which leads to imbalance once again.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 00:46 AMMr. Someguy

Vaulting is a downgrade?

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 02:26 AMVuther

Any idea how long the concept's been used? 'Cause I remember first playing League of Legends which simply maps things to QWER and DF and wondering "How the fuck did I never see RTS-style video games do something as obvious before this"

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 05:22 AMDiogenes5

Other than vaulting, you're smoking crack. The COH2 UI is so incredibly bad vs the original, reversing is a joke now and vehicles dance like they are having an epileptic seizure when you use reverse when in vCOH it was easy just to shift click back up.

The only problem is a lot of the player base left as is evidenced by most of the top vCOH players leaving and then coming back recently to dominate the COH2 tournament. I want COH2 to be a successful game because the genre is great but god it's such a hollow shell vs vCOH.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 05:41 AMMr. Someguy

Personally I rate the UI as overall superior. You get a unit bar, so you can always see the status of every unit without needing to visit them. You can reinforce large groups at one time as well, which is an invaluable change.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 21:55 PMBlov

Just watch the Operation Charlie Fox tournament and compare it to the last season of COH1 SNF... COH2 isn't even close, regrettably.

Like, the Commanders lack strategic in-game depth, add a P2W issue (MOBA model does not apply in a full price RTS) and are largely bloat. VCOH's doctrines had more depth, were more interesting & were easier to grasp. The tech system is a mess all around and makes for none of the interesting meta-game stuff of COH1. The plays in COH 1 were bigger, lethality was a lot greater in terms of early mistakes actually costing the game rather than games dragging out for ages despite being wildly uneven.

Even the meta in the early stages of COH2 was healthier than it is now despite balance being all over the place, maphacks are rife, playerbase is a bit toxic and watching the Charlie Fox tournament... it's just not particularly exciting, which is a shame because the fan enthusiasm here is just something deserved by a much better game.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 22:57 PMpigsoup

you mean Ami or Yoink saying "will he go BARs or M8" like a million times?

depth is depth but the vcoh depth didn't do much for strategy variety in SNF4. extremely great season but in terms of variety of strategies deployed, it was same as SNF5's con spam vs. gren spam.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 23:00 PMMortar

Agreed.

There is a lot of "rose colored" memories around vCoh. I can think of a TON of things that drove me crazy about that game.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2015, 22:57 PMpigsoup

you mean Ami or Yoink saying "will he go BARs or M8" like a million times?

depth is depth but the vcoh depth didn't do much for strategy variety in SNF4. extremely great season but in terms of variety of strategies deployed, it was same as SNF5's con spam vs. gren spam.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2015, 00:04 AMBasilone

I don't remember specifically what happened in season 5 but I remember m3allems Angoville strategy, SiberianPlatoon's unorthodox play on Semois going left instead of center with a early med bunker and building every tier. I remember Aimstrong's VVSM T2 T3 terror, his 3 engineer rifles sticky triage anti PE strategy, Fir3balls getting 8-9 T1 units, Magpies FHQ volk spam, 5 pio T2, Tommy + Aimstrongs T1 support strat (vs Brits), DevM winning early game vs other elite player using good Jeep micro, Nosliw's AC tank destroyer strat, KoreanArmy's 3 rifles grenades M8 strat, 4ES, 4ES Rax, Silence's T17 spam, Dr Horse using Calliopes in a GR tournament finals, Sandlands base rush strats, and more. Maybe COH2 has had that many viable strats since Jun 2013, but coh1 had that in ONE PATCH.

The coh2 patch that produced the most viable ways to play one faction in 1v1 was probably when Soviets had OP T70, OP Shocktroops, OP HTD, OP Ram, or Guard Motor (2 years ago).

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2015, 00:04 AMBasilone

I don't remember specifically what happened in season 5 but I remember m3allems Angoville strategy, SiberianPlatoon's unorthodox play on Semois going left instead of center with a early med bunker and building every tier. I remember Aimstrong's VVSM T2 T3 terror, his 3 engineer rifles sticky triage anti PE strategy, Fir3balls getting 8-9 T1 units, Magpies FHQ volk spam, 5 pio T2, Tommy + Aimstrongs T1 support strat (vs Brits), DevM winning early game vs other elite player using good Jeep micro, Nosliw's AC tank destroyer strat, KoreanArmy's 3 rifles grenades M8 strat, 4ES, 4ES Rax, Silence's T17 spam, Dr Horse using Calliopes in a GR tournament finals, Sandlands base rush strats, and more. Maybe COH2 has had that many viable strats since Jun 2013, but coh1 had that in ONE PATCH.

The coh2 patch that produced the most viable ways to play one faction in 1v1 was probably when Soviets had OP T70, OP Shocktroops, OP HTD, OP Ram, or Guard Motor (2 years ago).

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2015, 01:23 AMglaucousNoise

so many good memories, so sad to hear that Coh2 doesn't live up to its predecessor.