Team games gameplay in worst state since launch

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2015, 02:56 AMGhostTX

More and more people are going OKW and doing ISG spam. 2 OKW players = 4 ISGs, and they camp their med trucks together in a central location so they nearly just own the map in the HUGE launching radius that the ISG has.

Played yet another game where this happened. In fact, managed to completely flank the 4 ISGs with 2 rifles squads loaded up with BARs and 1919s. As the ISGs retreated, I could only kill ONE because that gay armor factor they get. Meanwhile, one OKW squad rapes my howies by sneezing on it.

Team games are just becoming crap camp-fests versus Axis now as the ISG abuse is spreading.

Jump back to quoted post5 Oct 2015, 05:05 AMEtherealDragon

ISG and Pack Howie needs to be either A) Accurate (to a degree) indirect fire that is good at wiping models with no or light suppression or B) Inaccurate (to a degree) indirect fire that has heavier suppression that helps win engagements via suppression when it does hit. Right now they have too much of both accuracy and suppression.

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2015, 02:16 AMJadame!

Is there even gameplay remain for team games?

Infantry and support weapons play, aggressive play in general is killed by isgs/pack howies. Those stupid things suppress/squad wipe with perfect accuracy half way across map. Attacking is impossible in case of OKW thanks to flakHQ, which also impossible to kill with AT guns thanks to ability of isgs to kill those guns in 2 shots.

Harassment is killed by op lol squad wipe mines (yeah, shocking truth, sometimes sweepers needed in main army) and by quad and centaur, later followed by croc and kv8, which wipe squads on retreat like no tomorrow.

Speaking of those stupidly over buffed flame tanks, once enemy got them, axis infantry and support weapons cease to exist. It impossible to keep them alive against those beasts.

Any variations in commander choices is killed by op stuff and urgent need to counter it. I can list all viable and situationally viable commanders for each faction, but you all know which one commander use ami and which one commander use soviets to win serious games. OKW have literally one(!!!) viable build in even games.

So what remain of CoH gameplay? Every game is campfest, because it impossible to do any damage to isgs/pack howies, until map is very big like Vaux. Attacking and harassing is too risky, better to play greedy and just camp one side of the map and turtle from there while dumping all spare mp into caches and indirect fire, which requires so much skill to use. Then all comes down to gathering overwhelming tank force combined of churchills, kv8s, croc, e8s, is2 backed by tds for allies and surviving until elefant/jagdtiger arrival for axis.

So. Much. Fun.

Now you can say some of those things was there forever, but even if they were before, they never were so prevalent and never stacked together.

Relic, pls, do something about it. Game in disastrous state. Its not even a game anymore. Its a campfest and artyparty and same boring stuff every time again without exceptions.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2015, 11:56 AMTickTack

Sorry that your premade cheap tactics no longer work.

Time for you guys to l2p all over again?

Enjoy!

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2015, 12:22 PMQbix

If you would have actually read his post you would also have noticed that his complaints are spread over both sides of the battlefield, not just one. If you would have actually followed this thread you would also have noticed that the problems he addresses are agreed upon commonly, affect all game modes since they are bound to specific units and have nothing to do with some special cheese shit he and his mates may pull off in premade games. They affect every player, every map and every mode.

But what to expect of someone called TickTack... Probably related to Clockwork Orange.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2015, 13:10 PMQbix

Is there a blacklist option somewhere? Need to filter out the obvious malicious boredom posters like the one above me.

Jump back to quoted post6 Oct 2015, 08:23 AMJohnnyB

The ISG abuse exists only because it's the only viable tactic these days otherwise your loss is almost certain, as OKW. Basically, after latest patch, I started with ISGs thing and then moved to other build, that involved T3 start (Puma building) and got seriously beaten. So I will return to ISGs 'cause there is nothing else an OKW player can do.

So yes, ISG needs fixing but then OKW must receive some buffs to deal with what allied are now.

I would nerf ISG but then I would:
1. increase AI capabilities of volksgrenadiers by just a bit OR make them less vulnerable. Alternatively I would make HMG34 a stock unit, slightly increase its damage output, raising its price by 20 MP and make kubel doctrinal;
2. slightly increase Puma ROF.

The idea is that OKW must not depend on a doctrine or on a specific build to be able to put a fight against recently buffed allied infantry.
Even the actual state of ISG suggests that in order to build an efficient and OP counter to Allied spam, for OKW is mandatory to start with medic hq.