Ostheer - No Free Green Cover.
16 Sep 2015, 19:07 PM
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So why is it that Ostheer is the only faction that cannot lay heavy cover in the early game? Cons can lay sandbags, RE can lay tank traps, Volks can lay sandbags and IS can lay sandbags as well. Grens and Pios have no such option. Discuss.
16 Sep 2015, 19:09 PM
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This is true and would help balance out them nasty grens
16 Sep 2015, 19:12 PM
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I'm with the Han's on this one.
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16 Sep 2015, 19:13 PM
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Not much to discuss here really, relic just said on the stream Q&A that ost does have bunkers as well as doctrinal trenches and other utilities and they don't see the need for them to have more at least for now.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
16 Sep 2015, 19:15 PM
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16 Sep 2015, 19:15 PM
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Not much to discuss here really, relic just said on the stream Q&A that ost does have bunkers as well as doctrinal trenches and other utilities and they don't see the need for them to have more at least for now.
Bunker cost 150 manpower thats a ton! Brits have trenchs at 50 man power and the choice of free sandbags.
16 Sep 2015, 19:16 PM
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The reply Relic Twitch was that bunkers are a green cover option ..
BUT, they are BROKEN. If you put a sniper or any UNIT inside of it they cannot 'see' out beyond about 5 meters and so will not shoot EVEN with line of sight.
Sandboxed this a while ago on different levels of terrain and the upgraded MG can shoot at distance but any other unit will not except very close and not max range even with sight.
TRY IT YOURSELVES... so Relic, if that is our answer PLEASE FIX IT SO IT IS USABLE...
It is rather expensive though... not including the upgrade costs
BUT, they are BROKEN. If you put a sniper or any UNIT inside of it they cannot 'see' out beyond about 5 meters and so will not shoot EVEN with line of sight.
Sandboxed this a while ago on different levels of terrain and the upgraded MG can shoot at distance but any other unit will not except very close and not max range even with sight.
TRY IT YOURSELVES... so Relic, if that is our answer PLEASE FIX IT SO IT IS USABLE...
It is rather expensive though... not including the upgrade costs
16 Sep 2015, 19:19 PM
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http://www.coh2.org/topic/40322/all-factions-can-create-green-cover-except
Sorry didn't see this thread. My bad.
16 Sep 2015, 19:22 PM
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Bunker cost 150 manpower thats a ton! Brits have trenchs at 50 man power and the choice of free sandbags.
I'm perfectly well aware of what costs how much.
I'm just forwarding relics answer on that very question here.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
16 Sep 2015, 19:24 PM
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Imo they already have the strongest defense,that would make it even harder to attack them.
16 Sep 2015, 19:24 PM
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Yeah, but Soviets can't build bunkers either.
So the obvious solution here is to remove either sandbags or bunker/fighting positions from USF and OKW.
Really though, I think it'd be simple enough to make bunkers as cover work just fine, just reduce the cost of the bunker's upfront manpower cost, and then add that cost to the upgraded versions of the bunker instead.
So the obvious solution here is to remove either sandbags or bunker/fighting positions from USF and OKW.
Really though, I think it'd be simple enough to make bunkers as cover work just fine, just reduce the cost of the bunker's upfront manpower cost, and then add that cost to the upgraded versions of the bunker instead.
16 Sep 2015, 19:25 PM
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Do you really think lmg grens need free green cover to hide behind? Do we really want mg42s behind green cover 100% of the time?
Ostheer is ridiculously strong right now. Free green cover everywhere is the last thing they need.
Ostheer is ridiculously strong right now. Free green cover everywhere is the last thing they need.
16 Sep 2015, 19:34 PM
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16 Sep 2015, 19:34 PM
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it is ridiculous that you cant get into enemy trenchs with your units.(same for the bunkers)
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16 Sep 2015, 19:36 PM
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Why cant cons get a non doctorinal upgrade? Or soviets get bunkers or usf get mines and a sniper? Besides lmg grens making green cover for themselves is would be op.
16 Sep 2015, 19:36 PM
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Bunkers for soviets and sandbags for ost 
And honestly, why do they need this? They do fine without them.
And honestly, why do they need this? They do fine without them.
16 Sep 2015, 19:42 PM
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The reply Relic Twitch was that bunkers are a green cover option ..
BUT, they are BROKEN. If you put a sniper or any UNIT inside of it they cannot 'see' out beyond about 5 meters and so will not shoot EVEN with line of sight.
Sandboxed this a while ago on different levels of terrain and the upgraded MG can shoot at distance but any other unit will not except very close and not max range even with sight.
TRY IT YOURSELVES... so Relic, if that is our answer PLEASE FIX IT SO IT IS USABLE...
It is rather expensive though... not including the upgrade costs
Yep. He's quite right. In my experience, garrisoned units in bunkers don't shoot back. It's weird.
16 Sep 2015, 19:48 PM
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Not needed if you ask me. They got Bunkers as a nice addition.
16 Sep 2015, 19:48 PM
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Do you really think lmg grens need free green cover to hide behind? Do we really want mg42s behind green cover 100% of the time?
Ostheer is ridiculously strong right now. Free green cover everywhere is the last thing they need.
+1 Seeing two armies waiting behing green cover is not the most exciting thing to behold.
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"Axis can STALL2WIN to get to that late game, there is really no hope for USF competitively short of getting the best side of the best USF maps and being an order of magnitude better than your opponent." - SageOfTheSix, after losing to Jesulin's Ostheer on Semoskiy Winter
"Axis can STALL2WIN to get to that late game, there is really no hope for USF competitively short of getting the best side of the best USF maps and being an order of magnitude better than your opponent." - SageOfTheSix, after losing to Jesulin's Ostheer on Semoskiy Winter
16 Sep 2015, 19:51 PM
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+1 Seeing two armies waiting behing green cover is not the most exciting thing to behold.
Clearly, we then must buff artillery
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