Login

russian armor

WW1 and WW2 Documentaries Thread

13 Sep 2015, 09:32 AM
#1
avatar of SirRaven of Coventry

Posts: 167

Permanently Banned
Hi there!

I have always been a keen watcher of WW1 and WW2 documentaries. I have come across very interesting documentaries, but I am always looking for new ones. In this thread you can post any interesting or must watch WW1 or WW2 documentaries you found and think others would like as well!

My first submission is the documentary from 1987 called "Cavalry Of The Clouds". It is a documentary about WW1 pilots and their recollection of their time fighting in simple wooden biplanes. Very interesting to watch, since most of us never heard their stories.



13 Sep 2015, 10:02 AM
#2
avatar of SirRaven of Coventry

Posts: 167

Permanently Banned
another one!


13 Sep 2015, 10:02 AM
#3
avatar of SirRaven of Coventry

Posts: 167

Permanently Banned
Another one I really really like

14 Sep 2015, 11:19 AM
#4
avatar of somenbjorn

Posts: 923

If you haven't done so already everyone needs to be up to date with The Great War series on youtube. 10-12 minute episodes that follow the Great War week by week as events unfolded 100 years ago. New episodes come out on Thursdays.

It started last June and will continue to November 2018.
14 Sep 2015, 11:21 AM
#5
avatar of SirRaven of Coventry

Posts: 167

Permanently Banned
If you haven't done so already everyone needs to be up to date with The Great War series on youtube. 10-12 minute episodes that follow the Great War week by week as events unfolded 100 years ago. New episodes come out on Thursdays.

It started last June and will continue to November 2018.


Thanks! Is great!
28 Sep 2015, 15:14 PM
#6
avatar of SirRaven of Coventry

Posts: 167

Permanently Banned
No one :(?
28 Sep 2015, 17:08 PM
#7
avatar of Frencho

Posts: 220

I'll share this interactive history page about WW1 told by 10 historians.
Concise and poignant statements.

http://www.lemonde.fr/centenaire-14-18/visuel_interactif/2014/07/23/l-histoire-d-un-conflit-international_4461481_3448834.html
28 Sep 2015, 20:42 PM
#8
avatar of Mongal

Posts: 102

This is a great documentary and a very moving story. Its about a British commando raid on St Nazaire, a heavily fortified submarine base in German occupied France.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s
28 Sep 2015, 20:52 PM
#9
avatar of SirRaven of Coventry

Posts: 167

Permanently Banned
Thank you guys, will check them out!
28 Sep 2015, 22:46 PM
#10
avatar of Jeiseun

Posts: 4

https://youtu.be/owM9rVYgl_o?list=PLWdsRnvM5uqn1ZSuXG630GcTI252Cx1sP

These are the German War Files documentaries about the various equipment the Wehrmacht used during the War.
3 Oct 2015, 21:42 PM
#11
avatar of barkas85

Posts: 8

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but as far as I'm concerned, the most comprehensive documentary about WW2.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071075/
4 Oct 2015, 01:56 AM
#12
avatar of Werw0lf

Posts: 121

It's nigh on impossible to find anything on film 'approved' for mainstream consumption that is either accurate or sufficiently impartial to present truth or fact by the time it is selectively edited and the narrative is applied. In the case of the Great War, this becomes almost comical due to the dearth of actual cinematic footage a function of the policy, practicality and technology of that time, necessitating acted 're-enactments' so removed from anthing resembling reality and pitched at a contemporary audience most of whom have never done national service who are so generationally distant and removed from the mores, so beleagured with the dross they have been fed, comprehension or understanding of the time represents an impossible objective for most.

Books lend themselve better to the retelling of truth, but an accurate picture still needs to be built up over time by proper investigative inquiry by the discriminating mind. Not everyone is capable of the latter, and most are too lazy to bother with the former. And oftimes, like art, a photograph does not encompass the all as an impressionist's painting might.

Of course, even books can still be tainted, especially those by authors who are plagurising 'historians' incapable of original research or sufficiently sly to not go against the tide knowing full well the punishment which awaits for those who dare do that.

The further the distance of time from the event, the greater the conflict of interest or there is to be gained from preserving the status quo of 'accepted history' of the event, the more distorted and one eyed the retelling and thus publically accepted view.

A sad indictment, but if you want to see the mentality of the planet today, go and view the absurdity of the number of hits on any of Nicky Minaj's trash like this (523 million ...WTF!) and you'll understand why most of the population can be duped most of the time. Compare the interest with the number of hits on this very important speech, and ask youself, which one is shaping history and which should people be interested in as it will affect their lives and the lives of others significantly. In a few years, even with access too it, the majority of Minaj viewing morons with not have viewed it and all too happily be spoon fed whatever nonsense the favourably scripted version retells.

Nevertheless there are some worthwhile reads around, most of those about the Great War and having been written long long ago by the actual participant combatants without a self serving axe to grind. The mass hysteria fed by constant Allied, yes Allied propaganda leading up to and during the second world war saw to it that little reliable in the way of truth or accuracy in the retelling of events of the second world war was or is available. Even Guy Gibson's retelling of his time with bomber command flying Hampdens elucidating that horror and stupidity was censored from his manuscript by the publishers never surfacing to see light of day until a unabridged edition quite recently. Whether it is still the full meat 'n taters or not one would not know as I have never sighted the original manuscript and we can't ask him. Even so, the submitted manuscript would still have been written with a view by himself as to what he could tell, or not, that which would be acceptable to his audience that they would be prepared to hear and accept it at the time. Here's a fact I'll bet few of you know which you won't find in "The World at War" or other usual sources. Generally reported as either KIA or MIA 'lost on operations', how many of you knew that Guy Gibson was actually shot down and killed by friendly fire a returning RAF bomber misidentifying his similarly homebound pathfinder Mosquito as a enemy Nachtjäger? FACT.

Here's another fact. Regardless the pretentious assignation of the genre title, there is nothing in the way of a 'documentary' made for commercial consumption that isn't compromised by either prejudice of the production team be it those paying the bill or director, the censorship by weight of going against the popular view, or some other conflict of interest whose self-interest the truth disserves ensuring attack or denial of distribution by the usual agencies.
4 Oct 2015, 02:07 AM
#13
avatar of Werw0lf

Posts: 121

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but as far as I'm concerned, the most comprehensive documentary about WW2.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071075/

Entertaining yes. Popular yes. But "The World at War's" perspective and narrative both are so biased, it is is not a 'documentary' other than in classification by genre. It resembles truth about as much as does the script and John Wayne's acting in "Sands of Iwo Jima".

P.S. My late step-brother's father was a US Marine who was in those landings on Iwo Jima. He was there. Severely wounded, he was one of the 'luckier' successfully evacuated to a hospital ship to be repatriated to the US where it took several years in a vet hospital before he was sufficiently recovered from his wounds to return to his former life civilian job as a NY police officer.
4 Oct 2015, 10:14 AM
#14
avatar of barkas85

Posts: 8

I agree to everything you've said. But I wouldn't go as far to say that it resembles truth as much as, before mentioned, John Wayne movie.

I mentioned it precisely because it has more depth then many other documentaries, and even some in this thread. And they pretty much all fall in the same category of being biased one way or the other.

I myself don't expect to get something that's science approved because it'd be pretty naive thinking on my part. And on top of that, even the modern historiography of today has considerable divergences of opinion on various interwar and ww2 era matters. Whether it's political, economic or social history related.
To satisfy the urge of getting something that has methodological backing of historical science, one studies history. Preferably in some institution that has good reputation. Not that i'm saying that formal education is a prerequisite for a discussion.
But to get back on the matter - I myself haven't encountered a doc that is completely unbiased, besides those that deal solely with technical issues. If you come across something like that, please point it out!
4 Oct 2015, 10:18 AM
#15
avatar of AngryKitten465

Posts: 473

Permanently Banned
History is written by the victor.

Always remember this wise sequence of words people!
4 Oct 2015, 10:33 AM
#16
avatar of AngryKitten465

Posts: 473

Permanently Banned
It's nigh on impossible to find anything on film 'approved' for mainstream consumption that is either accurate or sufficiently impartial to present truth or fact by the time it is selectively edited and the narrative is applied. In the case of the Great War, this becomes almost comical due to the dearth of actual cinematic footage a function of the policy, practicality and technology of that time, necessitating acted 're-enactments' so removed from anthing resembling reality and pitched at a contemporary audience most of whom have never done national service who are so generationally distant and removed from the mores, so beleagured with the dross they have been fed, comprehension or understanding of the time represents an impossible objective for most.

Books lend themselve better to the retelling of truth, but an accurate picture still needs to be built up over time by proper investigative inquiry by the discriminating mind. Not everyone is capable of the latter, and most are too lazy to bother with the former. And oftimes, like art, a photograph does not encompass the all as an impressionist's painting might.

Of course, even books can still be tainted, especially those by authors who are plagurising 'historians' incapable of original research or sufficiently sly to not go against the tide knowing full well the punishment which awaits for those who dare do that.

The further the distance of time from the event, the greater the conflict of interest or there is to be gained from preserving the status quo of 'accepted history' of the event, the more distorted and one eyed the retelling and thus publically accepted view.

A sad indictment, but if you want to see the mentality of the planet today, go and view the absurdity of the number of hits on any of Nicky Minaj's trash like this (523 million ...WTF!) and you'll understand why most of the population can be duped most of the time. Compare the interest with the number of hits on this very important speech, and ask youself, which one is shaping history and which should people be interested in as it will affect their lives and the lives of others significantly. In a few years, even with access too it, the majority of Minaj viewing morons with not have viewed it and all too happily be spoon fed whatever nonsense the favourably scripted version retells.

Nevertheless there are some worthwhile reads around, most of those about the Great War and having been written long long ago by the actual participant combatants without a self serving axe to grind. The mass hysteria fed by constant Allied, yes Allied propaganda leading up to and during the second world war saw to it that little reliable in the way of truth or accuracy in the retelling of events of the second world war was or is available. Even Guy Gibson's retelling of his time with bomber command flying Hampdens elucidating that horror and stupidity was censored from his manuscript by the publishers never surfacing to see light of day until a unabridged edition quite recently. Whether it is still the full meat 'n taters or not one would not know as I have never sighted the original manuscript and we can't ask him. Even so, the submitted manuscript would still have been written with a view by himself as to what he could tell, or not, that which would be acceptable to his audience that they would be prepared to hear and accept it at the time. Here's a fact I'll bet few of you know which you won't find in "The World at War" or other usual sources. Generally reported as either KIA or MIA 'lost on operations', how many of you knew that Guy Gibson was actually shot down and killed by friendly fire a returning RAF bomber misidentifying his similarly homebound pathfinder Mosquito as a enemy Nachtjäger? FACT.

Here's another fact. Regardless the pretentious assignation of the genre title, there is nothing in the way of a 'documentary' made for commercial consumption that isn't compromised by either prejudice of the production team be it those paying the bill or director, the censorship by weight of going against the popular view, or some other conflict of interest whose self-interest the truth disserves ensuring attack or denial of distribution by the usual agencies.


Putin's speech has about 870.000 views now, Obama's speech can't touch it. I have the idea that Putin is about the only politician that isn't a puppet nowadays.
9 Oct 2015, 16:37 PM
#17
avatar of squippy

Posts: 484

The quest for perfect,"unbiased" sources is futile. That's why we rely on conflicts of evidence, rather than anointing some Chosen One as a reliable dispenser of Truth.
1 user is browsing this thread: 1 guest

SHOUT IT OUT!

No ProfanityNumber of ShoutsRefresh Shout Box
Willy Pete: @Lady Xenarra this you? https://i.imgflip.com/3e4thi.jpg
Today, 02:53 AM
Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
Today, 02:36 AM
Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
Last Thursday, 15:46 PM
Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
Last Thursday, 09:34 AM
Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
Last Thursday, 09:32 AM
Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
Last Thursday, 09:30 AM
Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy :clap:
Last Thursday, 04:31 AM
Soheil: Coh2 still broken server ?
25 Mar 2025, 18:27 PM
Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. :snfQuinn:.
24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
Willy Pete: @Nickbn you didn't ask a question, and this is a chat box...
20 Mar 2025, 13:11 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
Rosbone: #RelicModdedEchoChamber
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
webdesign-muenchen-w: @Rosbone it is sick
14 Mar 2025, 22:09 PM
aerafield: @adamírcz aren't the first two disconnects free every day?
14 Mar 2025, 19:26 PM
Rosbone: It is so unlike Relic to punish its fans and community.
14 Mar 2025, 12:07 PM
adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
Rosbone: Just making mistake after mistake after mistake.
13 Mar 2025, 19:57 PM
Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
Rosbone: For a thing they could fix in minutes. Literally minutes.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:48 PM
OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
Rosbone: @theekvn I dont hate Coh3 or Relic. I just dont understand how you work on Coh3 for like 7 years and the menu system is worse than if a Programming 101 student made it. Feel free to explain it to me.
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
theekvn: + 33% dmg rear hit was best deal ever.
12 Mar 2025, 04:00 AM
theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
theekvn: you rather go 76 to unity Whizbang 2.0 or go home.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: also US tier 4 is 145f and Sherman pen 140 nerf is too much.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: Whizbang lock behind CP, meanwhile stuka is techtree progress
12 Mar 2025, 03:51 AM
KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
06 Mar 2025, 16:35 PM
aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
06 Mar 2025, 13:33 PM
Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
06 Mar 2025, 12:13 PM
OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked! :P
06 Mar 2025, 10:49 AM
Willy Pete: Cool you wanna lose your stock lategame arty too then?
06 Mar 2025, 03:20 AM
Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. :rofl:
05 Mar 2025, 20:27 PM
Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
04 Mar 2025, 02:58 AM
Rosbone: But this last patch has made good progress for grabbing players. All we can hope is Coh3 gets to Coh2s quality level before everyone abandons the franchise. Its Relic so they will completely f*%k it up as usual. But its a hope/cope.
04 Mar 2025, 02:55 AM
Rosbone: Relic wants Coh2 to fail so players will migrate to Coh3. It is hard to blame them since Coh3 sucks so bad. It needs all the help it can get.
04 Mar 2025, 02:53 AM
Soheil: Coh2 is dead , full of map hackers , and lelic knows that but ...
04 Mar 2025, 01:26 AM
aerafield: Oh how I missed the weird spam bots, welcome back :banana:
03 Mar 2025, 13:05 PM
situsgbo777: Platform game online terpercaya dengan berbagai pilihan permainan seru dan peluang menang besar. Nikmati pengalaman bermain terbaik hanya di GBO777
03 Mar 2025, 06:48 AM
OKSpitfire: @aerafield that does sound familiar
02 Mar 2025, 09:06 AM
aerafield: @Lady Xenarra :rofl:
02 Mar 2025, 01:45 AM
Lady Xenarra: Ah, the gren faust-replacing-rifles bug/exploit. :ph34r:
01 Mar 2025, 18:24 PM
aerafield: CoH3 high elo is truly the dumbest CoH experience that ever existed
01 Mar 2025, 17:25 PM
aerafield: @OKSpitfire tbh I find it quite challenging to get the Pershing in time, having to suffer through the CoH3 tickrate and this endless bullshit meta of massive blobs going back and forth to the forward heal truck
01 Mar 2025, 17:24 PM
OKSpitfire: Well... going to be seeing the Pershing a lot for a little while, that thing is a monster.
01 Mar 2025, 11:44 AM
NigelBallsworth: axis stuff is getting more meme by the second
28 Feb 2025, 23:32 PM

Livestreams

unknown 56
New Zealand 11
unknown 7
unknown 7

Ladders Top 10

  • #
    Steam Alias
    W
    L
    %
    Streak
Data provided by Relic Relic Entertainment

Replay highlight

VS
  • U.S. Forces flag cblanco ★
  • The British Forces flag 보드카 중대
  • Oberkommando West flag VonManteuffel
  • Ostheer flag Heartless Jäger
uploaded by XXxxHeartlessxxXX

Board Info

757 users are online: 757 guests
3 posts in the last 24h
11 posts in the last week
81 posts in the last month
Registered members: 53109
Welcome our newest member, Flyziertkis
Most online: 2043 users on 29 Oct 2023, 01:04 AM