6pounder(57mm) = 75mmPak ?
10 Sep 2015, 09:31 AM
#21
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I guess the cost difference COULD be justified because of the PaK 40's access to the excellent TWP ability at vet 1? I don't know..
10 Sep 2015, 09:32 AM
#22
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The difference is that the 6 pounder is a part of the UK army. The 57mm is on the other hand in the USF faction and lastly the PaK-40 is part of the Ostheer faction.
They fight in different armies, in factions that have different tech units and compared to the PaK-40 they are meant to fight different units.
They fight in different armies, in factions that have different tech units and compared to the PaK-40 they are meant to fight different units.
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10 Sep 2015, 16:17 PM
#23
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Perhaps, but you can't simply nerf the 6 pounder if Brits don't get other reliable AT options, such as better PIATs.
Or if you're gonna make it more expensive, something should be done about British MP problems.
Not just one should be looked at. Brit can have better PIAT and less mp problem through patches.
And this one should perform that worth its mp cost, not more.
Thing is, it's probably that it get fix one at a time, rather than in a whole context. So while a balancing is needed, i don't think this is priority at the moment.
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11 Sep 2015, 00:07 AM
#24
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Thing is, it's probably that it get fix one at a time, rather than in a whole context. So while a balancing is needed, i don't think this is priority at the moment.
If nobody start to give an opinion about it, it won't be discussed later
What one at a time? Does Relic patch just one thing at a time?
11 Sep 2015, 00:09 AM
#25
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Nope if we're talking anything bigger then half truck.
Much alike USF, doesn't it?
11 Sep 2015, 00:16 AM
#26
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Cost increase to 300 would probably be fine, the extra 20mp is for TWP. But this should only happen if we get corresponding mp decreases elsewhere because MP is really painful with this faction.
11 Sep 2015, 00:37 AM
#27
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The difference is that the 6 pounder is a part of the UK army. The 57mm is on the other hand in the USF faction and lastly the PaK-40 is part of the Ostheer faction.
They fight in different armies, in factions that have different tech units and compared to the PaK-40 they are meant to fight different units.
I don't remember any other AT gun having that much mp efficiency, except for pre-nerf pak40.
Asymmetric balance? Do we really have think AT gun as a asymmetric balance?
11 Sep 2015, 00:48 AM
#28
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Allies are not allowed to have anything better than axis, nerf it to hell
11 Sep 2015, 00:55 AM
#29
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Allies are not allowed to have anything better than axis, nerf it to hell
I never said that it should be nerfed to the ground. MP efficiency is problem though.
Please don't throw a line that does not help discussion in any form, would you?
11 Sep 2015, 01:05 AM
#30
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here comes, if an ally AT gun penetrate their pz4 nerf it plz...
11 Sep 2015, 01:09 AM
#31
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here comes, if an ally AT gun penetrate their pz4 nerf it plz...
It's roughly equal to the Pak 40, but it costs 40MP less. The ZiS-3 costs 320 as well, it's just the standard. USF's is cheaper because it sucks, it should be fixed and cost increased as well. That or ZiS and Pak cost decreased.
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11 Sep 2015, 01:28 AM
#32
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It's roughly equal to the Pak 40, but it costs 40MP less. The ZiS-3 costs 320 as well, it's just the standard. USF's is cheaper because it sucks, it should be fixed and cost increased as well. That or ZiS and Pak cost decreased.
as someone said before brits have serious problems related to manpower so ...
and usf is a dead faction let it burn Kappa .
11 Sep 2015, 12:37 PM
#33
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Axis fanboy logic "why does this low 57mm cannon is equal to a 75mm axis one?"
meanwhile the Isu-152 with its BIG 152MM!!! cannon cant penetrate with AP shells panthers WHILE the panther with tis 75mm gun penetrates IS-2s and ISU-152s
cause reasons
meanwhile the Isu-152 with its BIG 152MM!!! cannon cant penetrate with AP shells panthers WHILE the panther with tis 75mm gun penetrates IS-2s and ISU-152s
cause reasons
11 Sep 2015, 12:42 PM
#34
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MP efficiency is problem though
Not in the brit mp starved setting.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Sep 2015, 12:46 PM
#35
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Axis fanboy logic "why does this low 57mm cannon is equal to a 75mm axis one?"
meanwhile the Isu-152 with its BIG 152MM!!! cannon cant penetrate with AP shells panthers WHILE the panther with tis 75mm gun penetrates IS-2s and ISU-152s
cause reasons
'cause it's not a dedicated tank destroyer, that's a side role to it's primary function as an assault gun.
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11 Sep 2015, 13:02 PM
#36
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'cause it's not a dedicated tank destroyer, that's a side role to it's primary function as an assault gun.
oh man here we go again.....
the ISU-152 has 2 modes
High Explosive Shells
they damage infantry but not tanks
Armor Piercing Shells
they damage Tanks but not infantry
it has awful reload and has to change shells,for that its a MULTI PURPOSE ASSAULT GUN!!!!
"ISU-152 was a Soviet multirole fully enclosed and armored assault gun or armored self-propelled gun, also capable of serving as a heavy tank destroyer developed and used during World War II, with a subsequent use, mainly in the Soviet military, until the 1970s."
the HE shells works,are fine,ok,good(use what ever word suits you)
BUT AP shells dont work,they dont penetrate reliably panthers,king tigers,and to some extent the tiger,they also deal 240 damage instead of 320...
whats the logic behind it? if you think the ISU-152 should not kill tanks then could you justify its price? why pick it over an IS-2 for example?
11 Sep 2015, 13:43 PM
#37
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Axis fanboy logic "why does this low 57mm cannon is equal to a 75mm axis one?"
meanwhile the Isu-152 with its BIG 152MM!!! cannon cant penetrate with AP shells panthers WHILE the panther with tis 75mm gun penetrates IS-2s and ISU-152s
cause reasons
This is and has always been the axis fanbois logic.
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11 Sep 2015, 13:52 PM
#38
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oh man here we go again.....
the ISU-152 has 2 modes
High Explosive Shells
they damage infantry but not tanks
Armor Piercing Shells
they damage Tanks but not infantry
it has awful reload and has to change shells,for that its a MULTI PURPOSE ASSAULT GUN!
Exactly, it's a multi purpose assault gun. As opposed to the Elefant, which is a dedicated tank destroyer.
(only 40 Ostwinds were ever made, yet they appear so often)
I agree, they should have picked the more common Wirbelwind instead. And only because the most common Mobelwagen needed to set up, and thus could not fill the role of the Flakpanzer IV.
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14 Sep 2015, 00:59 AM
#39
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Not in the brit mp starved setting.
I know the setting.
The thing is, engineers works better and bleed less mp than tommy is problem.
Those rankers love engis, not tommy.
14 Sep 2015, 01:03 AM
#40
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Axis fanboy logic "why does this low 57mm cannon is equal to a 75mm axis one?"
meanwhile the Isu-152 with its BIG 152MM!!! cannon cant penetrate with AP shells panthers WHILE the panther with tis 75mm gun penetrates IS-2s and ISU-152s
cause reasons
Compare a super tank with a supertank.
This is AT gun problem. Also, in-game performance per mp is problem here.
I'm not talking about IRL bullshit.
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