Brace

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 14:35 PMAlexzandvar

My point was that OKW structures (which you can't afford to place in base sectors 90% of the time) get along fine without brace. Brace isn't on the same level as retreat because Brace is faction specific. The new cool down for brace is fine

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 14:48 PMKatitof

You can afford to place them on base sectors just like any other faction.
Multiple streamers prove you wrong on this every day in multiple games, its not even worth arguing.

Also, focus on emplacements being rather important part of progression and an option that should be valid is quite faction specific as well.
Brace IS a retreat equivalent for emplacements, no matter how you try to twist it.

The new cooldown and current modifiers from explosives and flames means emplacement will be hardcountered and destroyed 60 seconds after they have been spotted(force brace, kill it 30 sec later with barrage weapon of your choice).

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 15:00 PMBlalord

It would be a retreat equivalent if retreat was a "your squad is immobilized but cant attack for 30 sec, but they tank like jesus himelf, waiting for support, and they can brace again if no reinforce showed up in 30 sec"

Retreating a squad = the time they go back to base, return from the base, heal / reinforce ( they can die retreat) is kinda long

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 15:11 PMKatitof

Well, last time I checked, I was losing control over my squads for some time once retreat was ordered.

Emplacement obviously won't pack itself and run for it.

I'm not saying current no cd brace is fine, but its role is same as retreat-a chance for preservation of the unit, but plain brace nerf without addressing horrendous modifiers from explosives and fires will render any emplacement play impossible.

Single ISG attacking ground is all you need to permanently shut down 17 pounder until its destroyed with no counterplay if opponent is entranched with MGs and ATs and you don't have croc or AVRE.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 15:31 PMBlalord

Try to scare the ISG some times, while you full repair your 17 pounder in a short time

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 15:51 PMKatitof

I'll just focus on this part and that is an honest, sincere question-HOW?

How am I supposed to scare ISG? I don't have reliable long range arty unit to counter barrage it, I don't have infantry capable of actual assaults, I don't have light armor capable of assaults if my build includes emplacements, I have less squads on field, I don't have early/mid game reliable off-maps on doctrines, sniper isn't an option for attacking as I need screening troops and tommies don't provide that, I'll need REs to constantly repair, retreat and reinforce due to ISG barraging.

I'm speaking from my own experience, so it isn't theorycraft.

I am able to deal with ISG and entrenched OKW only when I have croc or AVRE on field.

I'm all ears to improve myself how to actually deal with ISG.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 14:48 PMKatitof

You can afford to place them on base sectors just like any other faction.

Multiple streamers prove you wrong on this every day in multiple games, its not even worth arguing.

Also, focus on emplacements being rather important part of progression and an option that should be valid is quite faction specific as well.

The new cooldown and current modifiers from explosives and flames means emplacement will be hardcountered and destroyed 60 seconds after they have been spotted(force brace, kill it 30 sec later with barrage weapon of your choice).

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 16:44 PMAustralian Magic

Retreat is all about unit preservation.

Therefore they are similar, cause they are made for the same purpose.

Im still amazed how anyone can compare buildings (trucks) to units which brits emplacements are.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 16:44 PMAustralian Magic

Retreat is all about unit preservation.
Brace is all about preservation of units which cant run.
Therefore they are similar, cause they are made for the same purpose.

Im still amazed how anyone can compare buildings (trucks) to units which brits emplacements are.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 16:51 PMAlexzandvar

It's all about knowing when to retreat, currently that trade off is not afforded to Brace. The downside is not great enough to justify the upside. The longer cooldown will fix this dynamic.



Two things can be made for the same purpose but still be different.



Emplacements are buildings. The OKW trucks are comparable to emplacements.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2015, 16:11 PMArclyte

If Brace gets nerfed I would expect an hp/armor buff. When brace isn't active they die incredibly fast