2v2/1v1 balance

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 04:03 AMStorm267

I think so too but, I worry the quest for the 4v4 woes will ruin the better balance in 2v2/1v1.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 04:08 AMOmega_Warrior

4v4s biggest problem is cache sharing. Dealing with that would leave 1v1 completely the same and have little effect on 2v2.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 04:14 AMRobbie_Rotten

How could you fix cache sharing without leaving OKW severely disadvantaged or making it a scramble to put down caches between individual players? I've been thinking about this a lot but I'm stumped.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 04:14 AMRobbie_Rotten

How could you fix cache sharing without leaving OKW severely disadvantaged or making it a scramble to put down caches between individual players? I've been thinking about this a lot but I'm stumped.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 05:54 AMOmega_Warrior

They would be no more disadvantaged then they would be in 1v1.

All getting rid of cache sharing would do would be to make the 4v4 econonomy look more like it does in 1v1. 1v1 is what is the intended design, and the huge difference in economy is what makes balance in the higher player modes so crazy.

Don't forget that this also means allies won't have as much as well. I don't think OKW will do as bad as you think. They are currently the strongest 4v4 faction by far.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 04:44 AMpigsoup

accept it as purposely designed disadvantage.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 14:34 PMAlexzandvar

This past tournament had almost no OKW players in the 3's and 4's for a reason, are you shooting for no OKW in competitive 3's and 4's?

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 14:44 PMCptEend

There can be no such thing as competitive 3v3/4v4s

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 14:22 PMRobbie_Rotten

Are you suggesting that caches should only benefit the player who built them?

I agree on idea, but then I feel like 4v4 randumbs (even though the game is designed around 1v1) would just become a rush to get caches down.

I wouldn't mind seeing cache's removed from the game personally.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 15:18 PMOmega_Warrior

They could just put in a cache stacking machanic, so teammates don't have to fight for cache space. That would also add incentive to raid for caches if 1 cache could potentially be worth 800mp of your enemies investments.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 15:18 PMOmega_Warrior

They could just put in a cache stacking machanic, so teammates don't have to fight for cache space. That would also add incentive to raid for caches if 1 cache could potentially be worth 800mp of your enemies investments.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 15:07 PMpigsoup

can't fathom why there weren't any.

and no, i am shooting for less or no cache in 3v3+.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 17:26 PMAlexzandvar

The reason why there were none is competitively OKW has fuck all to offer outside of support. Basic Ostheer infantry is better, Ostheer has access to more counters, and Ostheer has much less vulnerabilities.

Every 3v3 and 4v4 was 2 Ost 1 OKW and 3 Ost 1 OKW respectively, the people who didn't follow this formula lost badly.

Have the 1 OKW player put his schwer on an Important cutoff, have him make a really early forward, have him make multiple Sturms to help repair tanks, ect. It's all just support stuff to keep the Ostheer players in the field.

Without caches to support the OKW player (because without the fuel he won't be able to fulfill HIS end of the bargin) there would be no reason to take an OKW ally in 3's or 4's.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2015, 17:41 PMBeefSurge

I don't know about this. Walking Stuka, JPIV, and Jagdtiger are all great in big team games. Plus Volks are good cannon fodder troops. Panzerfusiler with G43s are also better than lmg grens.