Soviet BS-3 Anti-Tank Gun

That is a very fascinating idea.

But stuka will still rape it.

But stuka will still rape it.

Stuka rapes it no matter what but at least it will be useful.

Why is this tank not ingame yet?
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Relic will never add a good unit to the SU faction. Relic has an agenda to keep allies UP and axis OP

Relic will never add a good unit to the SU faction. Relic has an agenda to keep allies UP and axis OP

I couldn't agree more, that is why the Soviets have dominated the game in the last months. If I were to pick a faction for a sudden death match, it would be soviets without a doubt.

Problem is, you look at OKW, which should be late-ware (45) units etc, vs something like soviet AT which are from 1939 and you begin to see the difference.

I'm really speaking more on team games here, but when you have 3 zis a couple su76 and 1 or 2 su85s they just completely steamrolled by german armor.

And if you manage to be lucky enough to thwart any type of offense, they turn to stukas to wipe the map out. it becomes this battle of attrition, where the germans will always come out on top.

Again, I'm speaking more on team games, not so much 1v1, or even 2v2, but 3s and 4s it's stupidly insane. I'm a good player, and almost every time we will have the upper hand then all of a sudden germans just wipe the map, and they are noob players, too (you can tell) but there's nothing you can do.

I'm not sure what I'm tryin to say here (just woke up) but I'm sure some of it makes sense lol.

Oh, and Shermans are a fuckin joke, which I understand. USA produced about 70,000 Shermans vs the AT MOST 2000 Tigers produced, so even if they lost 6 Shermans to every 1 Tiger, it was considered an affordable loss.


However, in game lol, thats like 800+ fuel.

Jacksons are pretty decent but, you really have to micro nonstop to be effective with allies.

Guess my point is, Allies need some better AT for team games. And yes, the British are coming, and the stukas will follow lol Nah, we'll see. I'm sure the Brits will be pretty sweet.

But stuka will still rape it.

That's kind of the same dynamic the Pak43 faces with Katys. That doesn't make the Pak43 useless.

Problem is, you look at OKW, which should be late-war (45) units etc, vs something like soviet AT which are from 1939 and you begin to see the difference.

While it's true a lot of their units are outdated, you're exaggerating it. The Soviets and Germans were based on mid-late war when CoH2 came out, and the Germans were better off due to the technology they had at that time. The game's shifted to late-end war now, and the Soviets look quite outdated. Ostheer, not so much due to the fact that their tech didn't change as drastically from 1943-1945, and OKW released with all the 1945 goodies. USF is in the same boat as 1944 Soviets due to their stubborn doctrine refusing Heavy Armour and restricting AT armed Tanks (they favored HE).

T-70: 1942 - 1943 (T-70's portrayal in CoH2 is actually positively exaggerated)
SU-76: 1942 - 1945 (Most produced vehicle after the T-34, most were made in 1944)
M5 HT: 1942 - 1945 (Quad AA mount variants saw use 1944 - 1945)
SU-85: 1943 - 1944 (Soviet Army's primary purpose-built tank destroyer)
T-34/76: 1942 - 1944 (Only the T-34 M1943, which is the model portrayed in-game)

They're not as outdated as you think, the only really odd-one-out is the T-34/76 which was largely replaced by the T-34/85. Followed by the T-70, which was replaced by the T-34/76 (or '85 if they had extra). People often cite the SU-85 as being outdated, but the SU-100 didn't arrive until late 1944 and was in much smaller numbers than the SU-85.

That's kind of the same dynamic the Pak43 faces with Katys. That doesn't make the Pak43 useless.

I meant stuka dive bomb

BS-3: it will not happen. Too cool for soviets. The maximum that can be hoped is explosives Communists dog.

Oh, and Shermans are a fuckin joke, which I understand. USA produced about 70,000 Shermans vs the AT MOST 2000 Tigers produced, so even if they lost 6 Shermans to every 1 Tiger, it was considered an affordable loss.

"...Americans engaged only 3 Tiger I's. First time the shermans won. Second time the Pershing lost. Third time wasnt fair as it was in the process of being loaded onto a flatbed..."

http://www.coh2.org/topic/37018/myths-of-american-armor-food-for-thought

I was meaning in just a logistics perspective, Tiger being top tier at the time of the war, give or take. So going up against a "worst-case scenario" we prepared a TON, like I said, we basically zerg rushed Shermans non-stop on the production line.