In House Jumbo.
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give it the IS-2's durability
Oh god please no
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Oh god please no
Vet 2 Panther's durability then? I want something that can take the role of a Heavy Tank, but not. Much like the Sherman Jumbo in real life.
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Vet 2 Panther's durability then? I want something that can take the role of a Heavy Tank, but not. Much like the Sherman Jumbo in real life.
Sounds better. Given the Jumbo was not a real heavy tank but in fact a better armored E8, he could gain a bit more durability with vet
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Vet 2 Panther's durability then? I want something that can take the role of a Heavy Tank, but not. Much like the Sherman Jumbo in real life.
I'd imagine giving it IS-2 durability would probably veer a bit too close to the heavy tank role if you wish to avoid that. The durability factor is pretty big in the heavy tank equation - even if it's just an E8 gun, IS-2 durability basically means you've already got like half of a heavy tank, and an E8 gun is probably something like somewhere around 60-75% of a heavy tank gun.
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Sounds better. Given the Jumbo was not a real heavy tank but in fact a better armored E8, he could gain a bit more durability with vet
Nitpick, but it wasn't an up-armoured Easy Eight, just a standard M4A3. It's official name was M4A3E2 Assault Tank. The M4A3E8 'Easy Eight' was a separate version of the Sherman, primarily featuring the new Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension.
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I want something that can take the role of a Heavy Tank, but not. Much like the Sherman Jumbo in real life.
This is all i want from USF, at the very least. Something that doesnt explode instantly upon first contact with the enemy. Cant be too much to ask for one tank with real durability.
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This is all i want from USF, at the very least. Something that doesnt explode instantly upon first contact with the enemy. Cant be too much to ask for one tank with real durability.
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At least then, you got Jumbos in the form of vet3 Shermans. The armour could be an upgrade but is locked behind veterancy, so if you ever try the vehicle crew switcharoo you still need to spend the munitions.
Regardless, I don't think it should also have 76mm gun though, it could just be HE only in exchange for greatly improved durability, whereas regulars have toggle for versatility, and for AT you have Jacksons for offensive firepower.
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Regardless, I don't think it should also have 76mm gun though, it could just be HE only in exchange for greatly improved durability, whereas regulars have toggle for versatility, and for AT you have Jacksons for offensive firepower.
I disagree, I don't think USF's only heavy vehicle should be forcibly gimped for the sake of being gimped.
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That it's the USF's "only heavy unit" doesn't matter either way. A Jumbo is either a durable vehicle, or a durable vehicle that can dish out AT firepower better than regular Sherman. The latter IMO will just have people skip Jacksons and regular Shermans altogether. Such a unit would have no tactical drawbacks that encourage combined arms.
Anything that attacks the Jumbo that the latter cannot destroy can always be dealt with by covering Jacksons and AT guns anyways, so this gimping doesn't make the Jumbo useless. It WOULD be useless if that's the only thing you send up against a Jagdtiger, but that is what you call hardcounter, and not flanking.
Other abilities can also make up for the Jumbo's lack of integral AT firepower, such as support abilities that allow other tank killers to do their job better.
Without any of these ideas put in place, Jumbo is just USF's perfect vehicle. Which USF doesn't need.
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the jumbo and the pershing were both pretty cool tanks, but we shouldn't be using them to balance the USF. Just buff the sherman.
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Jumbo a heavy tank? What some people may write....
It's not a Heavy Tank, but it was used like one.
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You take the most AT heavy faction and pit them against an army with paper tanks...
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Seeing that you're using the term so much, I think you need to actually define what you think a USF heavy tank would be.
It's not a Heavy Tank, but it was used like one.
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USF needs pershing
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ahhhh victory at last
*crawls up to frontline*
*instantly killed by a Jadgtiger or elefant*
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But the Jumbo shouldn't have the 76mm gun or anything especially useful for offensive combat, it should just be a damage sponge.
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