Obersoldaten UP

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2015, 11:40 AMSilencer

Almost laughing here.. there is just no winning on these forums sometimes. \ /

So the explanation why obersoldaten seem underwhelming compared to panzerfusies is that the fusies were always OP. I think i missed the memo on this fact.

For some people OKW will always be OP.. have people seen the new OKW sweepers? They can actually detect a demo charge now, before blowing up, how's that for some OPness?

Fusies the most broken infantry in the game. RIP.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2015, 18:42 PMCookiezNcreem

RIP fusilier At Nade with the snare changes. need 2 hits to crit a Stuart.

Jump back to quoted post6 Aug 2015, 05:20 AMelchino7

But you need to upgrade your PF with G43 in order to them been able to do something. And that's 90muni. And it's still estable dps, not focus fire.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2015, 13:17 PMButcher

The reinforcement cost of Obersoldaten is what really makes them unattractive. Considering they are only marginally better than DP guards, they are not paying off.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 14:57 PMKurtWilde

Marginally better than Guards with DPs? Really now

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 14:57 PMKurtWilde

Marginally better than Guards with DPs? Really now

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 15:20 PMAlexzandvar

PTRS's do pretty high alpha damage (not as much as before but against 4 man squads it's pretty nasty) and the 2 DP's together do 13 DPS (only 1 less than the 1 LMG34 carried by Obers). So the statement that they are only marginally better in the AI category is true, they have much less utility and bleed much harder.

EDIT: Guards are better for the anti-light vehicle support they provide alone, which highlights the fact that Obers just don't have any utility.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 14:57 PMKurtWilde

Marginally better than Guards with DPs? Really now

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 15:31 PMWingZero

Obers are late game HIGH DPS anti infantry unit with insane vet bonuses. Since Obers are late game infantry, I can argue man power bleeds, VP denial, sprint and smoke ability are pretty good for late game utilities.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 15:20 PMAlexzandvar

PTRS's do pretty high alpha damage (not as much as before but against 4 man squads it's pretty nasty)

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 23:12 PMelchino7

Stuff

. So the statement that they are only marginally better in the AI category is true, they have much less utility and bleed much harder.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 15:20 PMAlexzandvar

PTRS's do pretty high alpha damage (not as much as before but against 4 man squads it's pretty nasty) and the 2 DP's together do 13 DPS (only 1 less than the 1 LMG34 carried by Obers). So the statement that they are only marginally better in the AI category is true, they have much less utility and bleed much harder.

EDIT: Guards are better for the anti-light vehicle support they provide alone, which highlights the fact that Obers just don't have any utility.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2015, 06:41 AMKurtWilde

let me get this clear, you are saying that guards with Dps will beat Obers with LMGs?

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2015, 06:54 AMAlexzandvar

No, I never implied that.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2015, 07:09 AMKurtWilde

Sorry, I haven't read your comment properly, was using the mobile. See, you would use Obers as anti infantry, you would use Volks with shrecks to deal with tanks, and they are much better than PTRS guards.

So you can only compare Obers vs Guards in the AI department.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2015, 23:22 PMAlexzandvar

Which is why I commented on Alpha damage they have as opposed to saying "They have good DPS". PTRS's aren't for DPS they are for packing a huge spike of damage right at the beginning of combat.

What you just posted supports my statement:

They can shoot and kill razor wire, stave off light vehicles, and slow down tanks to help other AT options deal with them. They ooze utility while still retaining good performance against enemy infantry while not being forced to spend 2/3'rds of their life span reinforcing.

Not to sound rude but you seem to try and fact check everything I say almost exclusively and it's uh, kind of weird.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2015, 07:21 AMAlexzandvar

Except that's not how that works, units don't work in a vacuum. Guards can preform light AT while offering help versus medium armor while doing less but still significant AI damage. For the price you pay for them you can get a lot of use out of them. Obers don't have a point to them outside of just shooting enemy infantry and the only utility they offer is in booby trap point.

Obers are simply inefficient for what you pay for, just a simple reinforcement time/cost reduction like Sturms got would be enough.