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My opinion is it should not be anti-everything unit. Want to kill tanks? Load Ap. Want to kill inf? Load HE. Fair enough.
ISU in good spot and does not need any buffs.
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It may be powerful, but very, very often shells cannot reach infantry because they end up in the ground somewhere in the middle. Not saying it's a problem - just saying it's not alaways possible to use it efficiently on each map.
Countering it as Ostheer? Many ways to go...
Elephnat (2 great doctrines), Pak43 (at least 1 very useful), CAS, Lightning - all work quite good agasint it.
You can even try Panther/Stugs with sandbags since they increase range.
Being bad at the game isn't something balance patches can fix.
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Considering if you don't have an Elefant or a Jadgtiger (the only 2 100% effective ISU counters) the ISU can seriously ruin your day I'm going to say it's fine. Normally if my enemy goes for one I always make sure to have an elefant or jadg. The best non-doc counter is the JPIV.
Does anyone know how you counter it as Ostheer? Because the 50 range on the StuG makes getting to it to hit it hard.
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ISU would be fine if the shells would stop hitting little bumps in the geography
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Hi,
So as many of you probably feel, it was a huge relief when Relic finally nerfed the ISU-152 by giving its gun switchable ammunition like the Sherman. Previously you'd lose infantry and tanks alike in chasing it down, with no real input required by the player that owned it. This was especially the case when several were on the field.
The only thing that bugs me about the change is that it's deeply unsatisfying when the giant HE shells do absolutely nothing to enemy tanks. Obviously that was largely the point, but unlike the Sherman where the shell size is small enough that it makes sense for nothing to happen, the ISU-152 is such a powerful unit that you expect something to happen. I was personally thinking at least some minor damage, if not a very high rate of temporary crits like crew shock (and maybe a small number of special damage crits that require repair). The change of shell takes long enough that you'd still have a chance to escape most of the time.
Now that heavy call-ins have been restricted to one at a time, I feel like this unit has been further nerfed indirectly, and I'm curious as to how you would feel about buffing it somewhat again, either by the above suggestion, or simply restoring it to its historical role of one amazing HE/armour-piercing round, but perhaps with slower reload that actually reflects the weight of such a shell (something like a lighter but long-range version of the sturmtiger).
Thoughts?
Edit: Whipped up a quick issue tracker card here if you're interested. That whole board is looking a lot more manageable after the recent patches.
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My opinion is it should not be anti-everything unit. Want to kill tanks? Load Ap. Want to kill inf? Load HE. Fair enough.
ISU in good spot and does not need any buffs.
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Easy up turbo. Whether the unit is balanced or not is the discussion here. Historical basis simply informs balance by giving the unit context. At any rate, yes, it absolutely should be supported. It's a long range unit, after all. The question is more whether it's a useful unit in its own right.
Your opinion seems to be that it should only be considered an anti-infantry unit, which is a valid perspective. That doesn't change the issue of whether the HE shells should have some effect on tanks though.
This is meant to be a discussion, not a flame thread. Please refrain from needless aggression.
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Yeah just like the KT is right?
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Single su76 can kill kt if it have a spotter.
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Sure, still doesn't justify that a KT can kill anything with one type of round but an ISU 152 should't be able to.
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Give kt 70 range with ability to spot for itself and we have a deal.
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Sure, still doesn't justify that a KT can kill anything with one type of round but an ISU 152 should't be able to.
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man i really have to go mobile defense every game as ost don't I? it is my curse/blessing.
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Kt is the most overpriced heavy tank with armor that can be penetrated by most AT, even an SU-76.
ISU-152 is fine, now its isn't a self-spotting A-moving insta-wipe super tank. It's still deadly, just L2Useit.
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