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Corsin
22 Jul 2015, 17:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 17:15 PMChocoboknight88

Keep in mind that it costs 120 Munitions to get that upgrade. Increasing the fuel cost is pushing back the Soviet ability to reinforce on the field. Quite dangerous for those who use Conscripts and Penals (No call in infantry).

Of course, there's also another possibility we can pursue. What if we moved it's suppression buff to Vet 3 rather than have it from the start? :)


Soviets generally are not as ammo demanding as other factions (since cons dont have a weapon upgrade). and a sov player will have around 220 ammo by the 6:30 marker if they own half the map.
Alot of people skipped T3 totally before the last patch, so im not sure it would be a massive issue to have to pay an extra 15 fuel for the M5. But might make a player take more care of it than yolo it in with a quad cannon. Because 2-3 squad wipes is worth it ect.


I dont mid your last suggestion either, but its unlikely Ostheer will have a shrek upgrade anyway by 6:30 if hes upgraded LMG's. The "force retreat" factor will still be there :/












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MoerserKarL
22 Jul 2015, 17:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 17:16 PMAerohank
The quad upgrade should just require T4.


I support this idea :foreveralone:
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Chocoboknight88
22 Jul 2015, 17:49 PM
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I would considering increasing fuel an issue. Definitely. There's no guarantee that the Soviets can hold onto half the map for long enough. Not to mention that the Ostheer have multiple, cheap ways of reinforcing like Fuel-less Bunkers (Cost munition but still...), cheap half tracks and that rare Repair HQ. For far superior infantry no less. Hardly fair, is it? While I do recognize the early Quad is a problem, I feel the cheap half track's ability to reinforce is crucial for keeping the Soviet's in the game if things don't go their way early on.

This is why I cannot support a fuel cost increase for the half track. Let's focus on changes that tackle the quad directly.
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Corsin
22 Jul 2015, 17:59 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 17:49 PMChocoboknight88
I would considering increasing fuel an issue. Definitely. There's no guarantee that the Soviets can hold onto half the map for long enough. Not to mention that the Ostheer have multiple, cheap ways of reinforcing like Fuel-less Bunkers (Cost munition but still...), cheap half tracks and that rare Repair HQ. For far superior infantry no less. Hardly fair, is it? While I do recognize the early Quad is a problem, I feel the cheap half track's ability to reinforce is crucial for keeping the Soviet's in the game if things don't go their way early on.

This is why I cannot support a fuel cost increase for the half track. Let's focus on changes that tackle the quad directly.


Fuel increase worked for the flacktrak
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Chocoboknight88
22 Jul 2015, 18:01 PM
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Flak Tracks don't reinforce nor do they need an upgrade... -_-'
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Corsin
22 Jul 2015, 18:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 18:01 PMChocoboknight88
Flak Tracks don't reinforce nor do they need an upgrade... -_-'


M5 doesnt have a setup time :P












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Chocoboknight88
22 Jul 2015, 18:10 PM
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Probably wasn't designed to in real life. Perhaps the M5 was heavy enough in real life to not require being anchored down compared to it's German cousin? Not an expert on the technicals but...

Real world debate aside, it's still doesn't justify the fuel cost increase in my eyes. It's only a problem when upgraded and that's what should be tackled without affecting the non upgraded version.
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korgoth
22 Jul 2015, 18:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 17:16 PMAerohank
The quad upgrade should just require T4.

Want to do a reinforcement push? Get an early M5.
Want to do early harrasment? Invest in the more expensive T70 (which is still a fine vehicle, just now completely outclassed by the M5 quad).

Quad upgrade at T4 will make the M5 stay relevent in the lategame, because unlike the FlamerHT it has long range, supression, and helpt to deal with loitering planes.



I like this one!
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Chocoboknight88
22 Jul 2015, 18:12 PM
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Indeed! That's a suggestion I like too. :)
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BeefSurge
22 Jul 2015, 18:12 PM
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Relic, just swap Soviet and American half tracks Kappa
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dasheepeh
22 Jul 2015, 18:19 PM
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pls make Quad upgrade require T4
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ATCF
22 Jul 2015, 19:24 PM
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Plz remove suppression from M5 quads since it ruins their awesome DPS, without suppression you could kill enemy soldiers in seconds, but that damn suppression ruins everything!
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Katitof
22 Jul 2015, 19:41 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 17:10 PMCorsin


At least the T-70's fuel cost reflects its impact, the M5 is way too cheap atm.

Because you're not factoring in 120mun.
Thats resource too, which bumps the cost.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Lumpy
22 Jul 2015, 19:46 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 19:41 PMKatitof

Because you're not factoring in 120mun.
Thats resource too, which bumps the cost.

except the soviets float munitions like no other :foreveralone:
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22 Jul 2015, 19:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 19:46 PMLumpy

except the soviets float munitions like no other :foreveralone:

Soviets would love to spend that muni on infantry and vehicle upgrades and on effective grenades, believe me, they would love to.

Just a tiiiiiiiny wiiiiiiiiny detail prevents them :foreveralone:
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Alexzandvar
22 Jul 2015, 20:00 PM
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I rushed an M5 into the enemies base yesterday and killed his Stuka lol. Yeah something needs to be fixed with it's damage.
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22 Jul 2015, 20:03 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 19:46 PMLumpy

except the soviets float munitions like no other :foreveralone:


Lel soviet must use ammo for many things to be in game.
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22 Jul 2015, 20:06 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 20:00 PMAlexzandvar
I rushed an M5 into the enemies base yesterday and killed his Stuka lol. Yeah something needs to be fixed with it's damage.


Haha I did this as well, not only killed a stuka, killed a squad as well :megusta:

I love the thing, it is way to good xd
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G4bb4_G4nd4lf
22 Jul 2015, 20:06 PM
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I honestly think ambush camo might be really useful this patch.

Just camo a gren squad and ambush faust those early light vehicles.

Does the damage buff apply to Pzfausts as well?
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22 Jul 2015, 20:07 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 20:06 PMG4bb4_G4nd4lf
I honestly think ambush camo might be really useful this patch.

Just camo a gren squad and ambush faust those early light vehicles.

Does the damage buff apply to Pzfausts as well?


Yeah untill they uncloack and get rekt before you can even blink.
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