Soviets not OP
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M5 quad is fine and with the nerf to T3485 spam it's actual one of the few things that keep doctrines with guards useful even without callin tanks.
The real problem is Axis that lack mobile light-armor counters to it which should be 222 or luchs.. Puma that lack AI is not fuel cost-effective to counter a 30 fuel unit.
Werh
222 need some tweaking so it has more durability (also to make it a soft counter to snipers+guards+quads):
- Either increase armor (make it less vulnerable to small arms) or
buff HP to 360 and increase cost from 230/20 to 340/30.
OKW
Move the luchs to the mechanized truck:
- Increase cost from 315/50 to 315/90.
- The flak AA ht will still be useful for suppressing and fuel cost-effective vs infantry rather than luchs.
- This change also indirectly open more viable T0/T2/T1 builds that skip T3 and rely on light armor.
- The P4 moved to T3 overshadow a fast T3 luchs.
- With a 90 fuel price OKW can't really spam luchs and USF can have fast captain and 1-2 stuart (more fuel cost effective than going double luchs) to deal with it.
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I had to deal more than 6 impacts to kill an ostwind flakpanzer.
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I could see a fuel reduction on T34/76 but does anyone know if it have a penetration/damage reduction vs vehicles ?
I had to deal more than 6 impacts to kill an ostwind flakpanzer.
T34/76 F34 76MM gun=160 damage.
Ostwind Flak panzer hitpoints=640
640/160 =4.
4 shots to kill ostwind assuming no crits or misses
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T34/76 F34 76MM gun=160 damage.
Ostwind Flak panzer hitpoints=640
640/160 =4.
4 shots to kill ostwind assuming no crits or misses
At max range there is over 20% deflect chance.
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At max range there is over 20% deflect chance.
It also costs 80fu. Don't complain about things that are fine
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Probably the only OKW vehicle that inst overpriced for its performance.
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blob 2 paks and kill it in one volley ayy
most likely
1. 1 pak is enough
2. there is no such thing as pak blob. AT guns are micro intensive esp in the begining.
They didnt used to it. Thats why keep whining op op. If they nerf M5 they would complain about T70 and so on.
And M5 is 120 muni. It could be T70 and 4 mines. They would be raging about it.
And what about your mg42 AT rounds? I guess whiners didtn ever tried them vs M5.
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Weirdo vonivan confirmed.. SOV OP
He had said He made this OP topic troll noobs and funboys.
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He had said He made this OP topic troll noobs and funboys.
no shame in being a fun boy
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It also costs 80fu. Don't complain about things that are fine
Did I complained?
Because as far as I'm aware, I simply explained why OP might have needed 6 shots.
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most likely
1. 1 pak is enough
2. there is no such thing as pak blob. AT guns are micro intensive esp in the begining.
They didnt used to it. Thats why keep whining op op. If they nerf M5 they would complain about T70 and so on.
And M5 is 120 muni. It could be T70 and 4 mines. They would be raging about it.
And what about your mg42 AT rounds? I guess whiners didtn ever tried them vs M5.
i blob paks all the time. its the easiest way to kill armor actually.
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i blob paks all the time. its the easiest way to kill armor actually.
YOu mean you select 1-2 ATG and A-click towards tank position?
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Soviet T3 is barely OP in team games. Soviet T3 = light armor which should be fairly equal to Werh T2 and OKW mech truck.
Soviet T4 (medium armor/heavy TD) should be fairly equal to Werh T3 or T4 and OKW T4 with P4/Panthers. This is a far more interesting tier setup (light/medium/heavy armor) than we used to have with callin meta once its balanced out.
The biggest problem with soviet is 1vs1 on large maps where soviet can abuse Axis lack of mobile counters in similar tiers. Imo the luchs + puma combo should be the "light armor" counter to soviet T3. Thats why I suggested moving luchs to the mech truck so OKW can delay tech until soviet has late game tech.
The patch has only been online for less than a day and Axis fanboys is already crying soviet OP, plz nerf. Seriously, start thinking outside the box. I may not have the right answer but at least im not on the Axis bandwagon of cry babies. I play both faction so I am not biased.
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