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SturmtigerCobra
21 Jul 2015, 22:02 PM
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M5 quad is fine and with the nerf to T3485 spam it's actual one of the few things that keep doctrines with guards useful even without callin tanks.
The real problem is Axis that lack mobile light-armor counters to it which should be 222 or luchs.. Puma that lack AI is not fuel cost-effective to counter a 30 fuel unit.

Werh
222 need some tweaking so it has more durability (also to make it a soft counter to snipers+guards+quads):
- Either increase armor (make it less vulnerable to small arms) or
buff HP to 360 and increase cost from 230/20 to 340/30.

OKW
Move the luchs to the mechanized truck:
- Increase cost from 315/50 to 315/90.
- The flak AA ht will still be useful for suppressing and fuel cost-effective vs infantry rather than luchs.
- This change also indirectly open more viable T0/T2/T1 builds that skip T3 and rely on light armor.
- The P4 moved to T3 overshadow a fast T3 luchs.
- With a 90 fuel price OKW can't really spam luchs and USF can have fast captain and 1-2 stuart (more fuel cost effective than going double luchs) to deal with it.
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Aerohank
21 Jul 2015, 22:15 PM
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90 fuel for a Luchs is way too much. It would make the unit impossible to replace later on in the game.
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KyleAkira
21 Jul 2015, 22:23 PM
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I could see a fuel reduction on T34/76 but does anyone know if it have a penetration/damage reduction vs vehicles ?

I had to deal more than 6 impacts to kill an ostwind flakpanzer.
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Iron Emperor
21 Jul 2015, 22:24 PM
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Just give the M5 a set up time. Annoying buggers are too easy to use. Too fast supressing, go on like that
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CookiezNcreem
21 Jul 2015, 22:44 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 22:23 PMKyleAkira
I could see a fuel reduction on T34/76 but does anyone know if it have a penetration/damage reduction vs vehicles ?

I had to deal more than 6 impacts to kill an ostwind flakpanzer.



T34/76 F34 76MM gun=160 damage.


Ostwind Flak panzer hitpoints=640

640/160 =4.

4 shots to kill ostwind assuming no crits or misses
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Katitof
21 Jul 2015, 22:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 22:44 PMCookiezNcreem



T34/76 F34 76MM gun=160 damage.


Ostwind Flak panzer hitpoints=640

640/160 =4.

4 shots to kill ostwind assuming no crits or misses

At max range there is over 20% deflect chance.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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AchtAchter
21 Jul 2015, 23:11 PM
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No need to swap units or redesign factions when one unit (m5) simply comes a tad too early.
If you need to know stats of certain unit: http://stat.coh2.hu

Which faction is OP and which is UP? Check it out here

Tips for beginners and wannabe pro's
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comm_ash
22 Jul 2015, 05:18 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 22:51 PMKatitof

At max range there is over 20% deflect chance.


It also costs 80fu. Don't complain about things that are fine :facepalm:
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LemonJuice
22 Jul 2015, 05:34 AM
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blob 2 paks and kill it in one volley ayy
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22 Jul 2015, 05:37 AM
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Guards should be a softcounter to Axis light vehicles, not vice versa. With that being said, the Quad is op as all hell. Getting one out at 3cp is no big deal really.
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Corsin
22 Jul 2015, 06:07 AM
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90 fuel for a luches? are you mad?

Probably the only OKW vehicle that inst overpriced for its performance.












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aaa
22 Jul 2015, 06:39 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 05:34 AMLemonJuice
blob 2 paks and kill it in one volley ayy

most likely
1. 1 pak is enough
2. there is no such thing as pak blob. AT guns are micro intensive esp in the begining.

They didnt used to it. Thats why keep whining op op. If they nerf M5 they would complain about T70 and so on.

And M5 is 120 muni. It could be T70 and 4 mines. They would be raging about it.
And what about your mg42 AT rounds? I guess whiners didtn ever tried them vs M5.
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Tristan44
22 Jul 2015, 06:39 AM
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Weirdo vonivan confirmed.. SOV OP
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aaa
22 Jul 2015, 06:42 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 06:39 AMTristan44
Weirdo vonivan confirmed.. SOV OP


He had said He made this OP topic troll noobs and funboys.












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Alexzandvar
22 Jul 2015, 06:43 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 06:42 AMaaa


He had said He made this OP topic troll noobs and funboys.


no shame in being a fun boy
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Katitof
22 Jul 2015, 06:53 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 05:18 AMcomm_ash


It also costs 80fu. Don't complain about things that are fine :facepalm:

Did I complained?
Because as far as I'm aware, I simply explained why OP might have needed 6 shots.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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LemonJuice
22 Jul 2015, 07:51 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 06:39 AMaaa

most likely
1. 1 pak is enough
2. there is no such thing as pak blob. AT guns are micro intensive esp in the begining.

They didnt used to it. Thats why keep whining op op. If they nerf M5 they would complain about T70 and so on.

And M5 is 120 muni. It could be T70 and 4 mines. They would be raging about it.
And what about your mg42 AT rounds? I guess whiners didtn ever tried them vs M5.


i blob paks all the time. its the easiest way to kill armor actually.
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aaa
22 Jul 2015, 09:52 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 07:51 AMLemonJuice


i blob paks all the time. its the easiest way to kill armor actually.


YOu mean you select 1-2 ATG and A-click towards tank position?












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SturmtigerCobra
22 Jul 2015, 09:57 AM
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Soviet T3 is barely OP in team games. Soviet T3 = light armor which should be fairly equal to Werh T2 and OKW mech truck.
Soviet T4 (medium armor/heavy TD) should be fairly equal to Werh T3 or T4 and OKW T4 with P4/Panthers. This is a far more interesting tier setup (light/medium/heavy armor) than we used to have with callin meta once its balanced out.

The biggest problem with soviet is 1vs1 on large maps where soviet can abuse Axis lack of mobile counters in similar tiers. Imo the luchs + puma combo should be the "light armor" counter to soviet T3. Thats why I suggested moving luchs to the mech truck so OKW can delay tech until soviet has late game tech.

The patch has only been online for less than a day and Axis fanboys is already crying soviet OP, plz nerf. Seriously, start thinking outside the box. I may not have the right answer but at least im not on the Axis bandwagon of cry babies. I play both faction so I am not biased.



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