Soviet T3 need cost increase or Ost T3 cost reduction!

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 16:35 PMWingZero

If the Soviets are investing in light vehicles, couldn't the Wehrmacht player be able to rush out P4 to nullify this? Paks, PGS and Grens should be able to keep the HT and T-70 in check until then.

AND please, M5 does not need any changes right now, this unit needed some love since the WFA release. All the HT at this moment should be aligned the same way (high suppression).

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 13:24 PMAerohank

The Quad M5 AA halftrack is the easiest light vehicle to micro, there is nothing hard about it. It's fast, has blitz, has long range, fires on the move, suppresses infantry trying to chase it, doesn't have to deal with oorah, has small target size (hard to hit at long range with shreks), has to worry less about enemy mines than axis light vehicles. If the Quad M5 is considered "hard to micro" then units like the OKW Flak AA half track must be considered impossible to micro.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 19:19 PMelchino7

I don't think they have fixed attack move

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 19:28 PMAlexzandvar

They did, but in kinda a dumb roundabout way by making it bug out and then set up 3-4 times in a row when you try to get it to attack something.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 16:44 PMAlexzandvar

The entire point of the thread is that Ostheer T3 comes much later than Soviet T3 making "rushing" a PIV to counter the enemy's light vehicles hard because by the time the PIV hit's the field the enemy will already have extremely plentiful counters.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 21:52 PMWingZero

Soviet player is spending fuel for tech + 70 fuel for T-70. When that P4 comes out, Soviet player is SOL cause he will only have an AT gun as hard counter. Whermacht player can hold off with Pak, PGs and Grens and not to mention teller mines until T3. But yes I concede, the scout car could use a bit of a punch against light vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 21:52 PMWingZero

Soviet player is spending fuel for tech + 70 fuel for T-70. When that P4 comes out, Soviet player is SOL cause he will only have an AT gun as hard counter. Whermacht player can hold off with Pak, PGs and Grens and not to mention teller mines until T3. But yes I concede, the scout car could use a bit of a punch against light vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 22:33 PMAerohank

I think you underestimate the fuel gap between Soviet T3 units and Ostheer T3 units. If both teams have equal fuel income, then the Soviet player can make a Quad AA and 2 SU76s roughly and still have ~35 fuel left before a P4 can be produced.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jul 2015, 16:55 PMOmega_Warrior

Have you tried going for 2 222s yet? They should be able to handle a quad easily.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 01:07 AMofield

Not really, the quad cuts through 222s like a hot knife through butter. ironically the 222 have a less hard time against t70. Personally i would just reduce the armor of the M5 and reduce the quad penetration.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 01:26 AMOmega_Warrior

Yeah I still haven't experienced the match-up first hand, but from what people are saying it seems like simply reducing it's penetration so it doesn't chew through 222s so quickly would allow ostheer to have a way of countering it proactively rather then only being forced to be reactive with infantry AT. And all the other match-ups would remain pretty much the same.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 15:42 PMGoldeneale

Pios and Grens aren't the only units that can cap yknow. I often cap the frontline with HMGs initially and backcap with mortar and Pios.

One Faust is all it takes, and the Ostruppen help too.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 02:16 AMatouba

You stop talking about godamn map control pls! Completely big talk imo. You can control the map with HMGs supported by mortars and pios? Aganist the soviets with T70/M5 supported?

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2015, 16:44 PMAlexzandvar

The entire point of the thread is that Ostheer T3 comes much later than Soviet T3 making "rushing" a PIV to counter the enemy's light vehicles hard because by the time the PIV hit's the field the enemy will already have extremely plentiful counters.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 04:52 AMKurtWilde

Dude Soviet T3 and OH T3 are NOT the same. How many times do people have to repeat this. And I played a few games with the new patch yesterday, as Soviets and OH. The AA HT is no big deal, One faust and one PAK shot

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 05:08 AM__deleted__

No offence dude, but what?
I've played a few matches today, against legit opponents (top 200) as Soviets, and the Quad HT is a giant deal. It comes extremely early, it melts infantry, affords you field presence, and forces a major, early AT investment from OH which you can easily exploit by further investing into specialised AI, ie. Shocks, Snipers, 120s, etc. Not to mention that the SU 76 out of the same tier neutralises any eventual PIV at much smaller cost.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 05:37 AMKurtWilde

You don't build an AT gun by the 8-10 min mark? Your regular build order?

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2015, 05:37 AMKurtWilde

You don't build an AT gun by the 8-10 min mark? Your regular build order?