The New 88 Kinda Sucks
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It would appear you have to manually rotate it like a regular PAK? The big plus of the CoH 1 88 was it automatically rotated to engage flanking units. Basically, it's a fixed PAK with longer range. No thanks.
Why bother with the Festung Armor Doctrine when the core of the doctrine, the 88, sucks? Am I missing something?
Thanks.
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It costs only 480 MP, instantly destroys the engine on rear shots and takes minimal amount of hits to kill the IS-2 in comparison to just about anything else. The Elefant is the only other thing that even compares and it is many times more expensive. If anything, I would like to see the Pak-43's pop cost go down.
Don't forget Railroad Artillery, the 2nd most powerful artillery ability in the game.
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I think, It is too easy to break.
That's why you support it. It's a long-range AT Heavy Gun, and requires the due protection from infantry and possibly a tank.
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Its immobile with no indirect fire capacity, isnt it? Never fielded it yet.
Precisely. It can turn, though, and does some devastating damage. It's better vs IS-2s than an Elefant, so that leaves you with free fuel to spend on other tanks.
To give you an idea on the range, it can shoot from the Northern Bridge (Pripyat) to the Central VP.
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That's why you support it. It's a long-range AT Heavy Gun, and requires the due protection from infantry and possibly a tank.
Ah.. I mean artillery attack. 120mm mortar, howitzer, and IL2 bombing.
Of course, That does not mean it isn't worth.
just... DO NOT ARTY TO MY PAK43!! SHIT!!
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It does not suck.
It costs only 480 MP, instantly destroys the engine on rear shots and takes minimal amount of hits to kill the IS-2 in comparison to just about anything else. The Elefant is the only other thing that even compares and it is many times more expensive. If anything, I would like to see the Pak-43's pop cost go down.
From what I saw, the firing arc is no better than a regular PAK. Zerg rushing the 88 is a viable option.
My point is that the core of the doctrine is mediocre and creates an incentive to pick another option
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Coupled with true sight and lack of auto rotation, it does need to be babysat quite a bit. That all being said, when it works it feels more powerful than the 88. /shrug. I've not yet really made a decision whether I like it or not. Giving it a decent muni cost indirect fire mode might be interesting, though might be a bit much.
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Permanently BannedShazzs point about maps is poignant, since it requires direct, unobstructed lines of fire as well as spotting. I havent yet looked at the maps with the specific intent to designate good PaK43 sites, but my gut tells me there are not many and it becomes an obvious target for Sov artillery, limiting its shelf-life notably, as since it will not move, opponent knows exactly where to drop artillery and exactly what firelines it covers, once he knows where it is.
I rarely argue historical accuracy, but im against an indirect fire muni option on it, simply because historically, it couldnt lob shells like a howitzer.
Instead, I suggest a "Penetrating Shot" muni ability, which would allow it to fire THROUGH obstacles in a more limited range, to hit armor that is spotted hiding behind a building or hedgerow for example.
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A soltion would be, that it doesn't die so fast, but needs to be over half health to shoot or something.
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Needless to say my partner in crime Basilone pointed out my new scrap metal pile that had appeared.
For their cost they seem more than affective at dealing with armour / at guns whilst costing no fuel themselves. However we did easily flank and destroy one due to the slow turn speed.
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Babysitting units like that isn't fun imo. Just like babysitting infatry to vault isn't either. Bring a little more AUTO - so we can focus on the bigger picture.
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