Yes.
Thanks!
Next question, is this a good thing or bad? I am not a pro, so please explain (not only you Katitof
). I am asking this because soviets would be the only faction who HAS to do this. Is this viable?All the other faction can skip tiers!
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15 Jul 2015, 09:49 AM
#221
Posts: 1355
Thanks!
Next question, is this a good thing or bad? I am not a pro, so please explain (not only you Katitof
). I am asking this because soviets would be the only faction who HAS to do this. Is this viable?All the other faction can skip tiers!
15 Jul 2015, 10:28 AM
#222
Posts: 41
Permanently BannedYes, reduce cost of sturm pios, let OKW spam them even more along with kubel, the game breaker. Also let wehr build MG instantly to make it even harder for allies to get fuel ain 2vs2+ ayyyy
15 Jul 2015, 10:34 AM
#223
Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1
Yes, reduce cost of sturm pios, let OKW spam them even more along with kubel, the game breaker. Also let wehr build MG instantly to make it even harder for allies to get fuel ain 2vs2+ ayyyy
There is a reason why you barely saw high level players get 2 Sturmpio squads, even on close-quarter maps. Sturmpios were not good. If you lost to Sturmpiospam you deserved it.
15 Jul 2015, 10:41 AM
#224
Posts: 41
Permanently BannedSturm pios supported by double kubel = gg wp, of course you can beat it, but before you do so, they will already have 2 fuel points and control of 70% of the map
How do I know? Cuz I did so and with this strat I won 80% of rounds when played OKW
How do I know? Cuz I did so and with this strat I won 80% of rounds when played OKW
15 Jul 2015, 10:45 AM
#225
Posts: 1604 | Subs: 3
Sturm pios supported by double kubel = gg wp, of course you can beat it, but before you do so, they will already have 2 fuel points and control of 70% of the map
How do I know? Cuz I did so and with this strat I won 80% of rounds when played OKW
Because they have so much capping power with 1 or 2 sturmpios and 2 kübels, this double kübel strat is simply countered by spreading out your units as USF or getting a M3A1 as soviets which now can be out instantly thanks to the fuel decrease of t1 (50->40).
Funnily relic back then increased t1 fuel price simply to delay the M3, well looks like they don't care for previous balance changes.
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15 Jul 2015, 10:46 AM
#226
Posts: 2396 | Subs: 1
There is a reason why you barely saw high level players get 2 Sturmpio squads, even on close-quarter maps. Sturmpios were not good. If you lost to Sturmpiospam you deserved it.
Sturmpios are good in present and they will be even better with the change.
I'm realy surprised lel69fgt was the first to notice how important this change will be. I said it a thousand times before, they should get cheaper reinforcement and the reinforcement time must be shorter. Now I get what I want. lel69fgt, you don't know how right you are, but you are alone in your fight and I'm glad because I will make you suffer with my sturms
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
15 Jul 2015, 12:28 PM
#227
Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1
Funnily relic back then increased t1 fuel price simply to delay the M3, well looks like they don't care for previous balance changes.
This.
I'm confused with this change.
Now when you can't maphack Soviet teching decision through fog of war it would be such hit or miss decision for OKW to build or not to build Kubel/Raketen as one of first units.
Especially on 4v4 maps, where M3A1 have much longer range of chasing retreating squad and it would take very long time for raketen to reach frontline.
I think that change was unintentional and they fucked up things again.
15 Jul 2015, 12:40 PM
#228
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Thanks!
Next question, is this a good thing or bad? I am not a pro, so please explain (not only you Katitof
All the other faction can skip tiers!
But I like to respond
Anyway, opinions on this are mixed.
I believe its a HUGE plus as it opens soviets doors to new way of combined arms, allows fore light vehicle play and allows for use of more varied doctrines.
And while T34 is still piece of shit, you will not be able to outspam your opponents with it, making strength in numbers and if that won't work, you can transition into SU-85 without problems.
Current soviet teching is piece of shit, new one is a huge improvement and while you'll have to relearn soviets, the reliance on doctrines when it comes to armor have diminished now and you have much more choice for the doctrines that doesn't have "shock" or "guard" in the names.
I had a shitload of fun while playing with new possible soviet strats during alpha and I believe every non "forever a noob" player will see it as a HUGE improvement.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
15 Jul 2015, 14:51 PM
#229
Posts: 1355
But I like to respond
Thanks for the analysis.
I also am looking forward to see how this will work and i believe that it is a good change. But i was expecting whining about the fuel cost
And before i meant that others as well can answer. I didn't wont you to feel obligated to answer
Thanks again!
15 Jul 2015, 20:59 PM
#230
Posts: 362
Just wait for MG42/Pioneer/Ostruppen/Assault Grenadier stall into fast T3.
15 Jul 2015, 21:56 PM
#231
Posts: 64
Just wait for MG42/Pioneer/Ostruppen/Assault Grenadier stall into fast T3.
So no grens with faust to shoot clown cars, no mortar, no pak gun, no panzergrens? This means harder map controll(as well harder fuel point controll).
15 Jul 2015, 22:04 PM
#232
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Sturmpios are good in present and they will be even better with the change.
I'm realy surprised lel69fgt was the first to notice how important this change will be. I said it a thousand times before, they should get cheaper reinforcement and the reinforcement time must be shorter. Now I get what I want. lel69fgt, you don't know how right you are, but you are alone in your fight and I'm glad because I will make you suffer with my sturms
MAYBE on 2v2. Plausible on 3v3+
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
16 Jul 2015, 06:36 AM
#233
Posts: 2396 | Subs: 1
MAYBE on 2v2. Plausible on 3v3+
Well, we'll see about that, won't we?
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
16 Jul 2015, 07:59 AM
#234
Posts: 742 | Subs: 1
they added changes guys !
Rifleman, Volksgrenadiers, Conscripts, Grenadier
Now recieve construction penality modifers
Soviet Sandbags
Health reduced from 500 to 110
SdKfz 221 Scout Car
The SdKfz 221 Scout Car is now the SdKfz 222 Scout Car. It will come with the KwK 30 2cm Autocannon by default.
Cost increased from 210/15 to 230/20
Battle Phase 3
Cost reduced from 200/50 to 200/45
Heavy Panzer Korps
Cost reduced from 260/80 to 260/75
PTRS rifle
Damage reduced from 40 to 27
13 Bonus damage added vs vehicles
SdKfz 251 Halftrack
Battle phase 2 requirement to upgrade to the Flame Projector removed.
return of the flame HT ?
Rifleman, Volksgrenadiers, Conscripts, Grenadier
Now recieve construction penality modifers
Soviet Sandbags
Health reduced from 500 to 110
SdKfz 221 Scout Car
The SdKfz 221 Scout Car is now the SdKfz 222 Scout Car. It will come with the KwK 30 2cm Autocannon by default.
Cost increased from 210/15 to 230/20
Battle Phase 3
Cost reduced from 200/50 to 200/45
Heavy Panzer Korps
Cost reduced from 260/80 to 260/75
PTRS rifle
Damage reduced from 40 to 27
13 Bonus damage added vs vehicles
SdKfz 251 Halftrack
Battle phase 2 requirement to upgrade to the Flame Projector removed.
return of the flame HT ?
16 Jul 2015, 12:34 PM
#235
Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1
PTRS rifle
Damage reduced from 40 to 27
13 Bonus damage added vs vehicles
Now Wehrmacht sniper can withstand 3 PTRS shots in the face and not die. Yay!
16 Jul 2015, 12:40 PM
#236
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Posts: 587
nothing has changed since ptrs had 40dmg and sniper still has 81hp or was it 82, DansGame
Now Wehrmacht sniper can withstand 3 PTRS shots in the face and not die. Yay!
16 Jul 2015, 12:44 PM
#237
Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1
nothing has changed since ptrs had 40dmg and sniper still has 81hp or was it 82, DansGame
It has 82HP, so previously it could survive 2x40=80dmg shots, now - 3x27=81dmg
16 Jul 2015, 13:07 PM
#238
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
I vote to change ost snipr name to Festung Sniper. 
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
16 Jul 2015, 21:01 PM
#239
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
Delete
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
17 Jul 2015, 20:46 PM
#240
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Posts: 964 | Subs: 11
they added changes guys !
SdKfz 251 Halftrack
Battle phase 2 requirement to upgrade to the Flame Projector removed.
return of the flame HT ?
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