CAS Axis cmrd is by far the best cmdr for team games (3vs3+)

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 16:01 PMSwitzerland

Comparing a one trick pony gun that hasn't been popular in two patches, with a magician commander that 9/10 wher players use? Excellent comparison. CAS needs to change severely or go.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 10:44 AMJohnnyB

For 3v3 or 4v4 maps, Esxile could be right though a teching to T4 and build of much more powerfull units from there would have better impact. One Panther may have a little impact, but one P IV will have zero impact on this kind of game. The only problem in 3v3 and 4v4 is the map size, you can relay on vehicles to be able to reach far points when you are needed but your opponent can pick a propaganda artilery doctrine for instance which is uncounterable and make you walk the map forever while not being able to participate at engagements where you are needed or efficiently cap. Supporting your mates only with air strikes won't be enough plus you can't properly support them if you use fuel for other things. And air strikes become available since middle game. Untill then, if you have verry good opponents, you can even lose map control. By the way, these are the disadvantages of CAS and due to them CAS can be counterplayed.

For 2v2s don't even bother with teching more than Tier2. After T2 convert ALL your fuel and equip ALL your infantry with weapons. A sdkfz for reinforcing on the field while moving is perfect. Pzgrens with shrecks, grens with lmgs. Mines, air strikes + the ultimate blob. Your team mate must build vehicles to compensate.

Does this answer to your question?

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 15:39 PMSnipester

Am I the only one that doesn't play CAS, not because it's cheesy, but because it's so unbearably boring?

Anyway, this thing is much like the old B4, destroying all of your units with very low risk to your opponent (just muni drain) and with little counter play. At least you can Stuka the B4, but CAS AT strafe is nearly impossible to shoot down on the first pass.

That being said, I find it hilarious that the same people who defended the old B4 are now complaining about CAS.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 16:38 PMGrumpy

The old B4 at least had some trade-offs, because it doesn't have any good armor and if someone built a B4 within walking stuka range of the front line, it would get decrewed constantly and not able to get to Vet 1, which limited its usefulness. CAS still has access to Panthers. It also didn't hard-counter a lot of doctrines like CAS (which ensures that allies can't have on-map arty).

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 16:38 PMGrumpy

How about instead of nerfing CAS, we make a USF doctrine that has the same fuel to muni conversion, buffs the P47 to the same damage as the AT strafe, includes IR pathfinders, recon, and a suppression strafe. A mirrored commander would have to be fair, right?

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 16:01 PMSwitzerland

Comparing a one trick pony gun that hasn't been popular in two patches, with a magician commander that 9/10 wher players use? Excellent comparison. CAS needs to change severely or go.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 17:15 PMSwitzerland

The B4 is one unit in a commander that leads you nowhere, comparing it to several broken abilities in a commander is dumb. B4 had counter play, recon and bomb, go find it with support, park units behind buildings. Still a silly unit with precision strike but now useless anyway.

CAS you cannot hide you cannot shoot down in time and cannot prevent, B4 was frustrating but was nowhere near the influence on a game this has. CAS doesn't tie up your MP into buying a gun, which can and was easily reconnoitred and destroyed. The B4 isn't built anymore so it's a dead comparison even with 3 of the scatter bulletins it doesn't hit anything, 9/10 players do seem to use CAS however.

If we're going to play the "Funny how player complained about" game why isn't it funny that axis players whined about the old IL2 strafe and this is fibe.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 17:36 PMAlexzandvar

How about instead of comparing apples to oranges and insulting each other with he said she said bullshit you guys just agree on what ABOUT CAS needs to be nerfed?

I swear to god every day it's a never ending stream of non-committal melt down posts about how [insert x] is the worst/best thing ever with absolutely 0 ideas how to make it better or worse.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 17:51 PMArclyte

I think CAS is broken on a fundamental level

CoH has never been about aircraft. Yea, it had a few call in planes here and there and "AA" vehicles (IE: anti-infantry vehicles), but it was never meant to have aircraft as a common enemy. (especially considering Axis aren't penalized when they get shot down)

I appreciate the devs thinking outside the box and giving this commander a shot, but it's not working, and I don't see a way to salvage it.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2015, 17:57 PMAlexzandvar

Okay; so here is a couple of things that could be changed:

- Pin strafe becoming a AI + suppression strafe meaning it can damage and suppress infantry (for 80 munitions) instead of just pinning them. This would make it similar to the IL-2 AI strafe

- Conversion becoming PASSIVE, this means like Soviet Industry at 3 CP you are locked into getting less fuel for more munitions so you can't just back out and still make tanks. Nope you are now limited on fuel and you BETTER make good use of those strafes

- AT strafe doing less damage but over a wider area: So while it won't 1 shot multiple mediums it will damage a horde of tanks the opponent is refusing to move because he doesn't want to micro his shit

- Stuka bomb strike isn't an issue (it's on a LOT of commanders), personally I think howitzers should be able to move but that's just me.

Really the most problematic thing is the conversion, after/if that's fixed the rest could follow as tweaks.