A Molotov problem or...?

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 23:51 PMThe_rEd_bEar

No, you are missing the point the fact that a unit cost 240mp life grens and then purposely designed to perform worst at the game progress is bad design. late game they just bleed man power and waste pop cap. Hence the gaurd spam you see everygame, this has nothing to do with call-ins and doesn't make sense

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 00:13 AMBeefSurge

Soviets are best in game at MP bleed due to fighting largely static factions while possessing great arty. Soviets frequently don't tech, which is bonus MP for them.

Anyway, Cons only bleed lategame if you charge them at the enemy like a dunce, or are fighting insane OKW troops.

Instead of complaining about Cons you should be complaining about the Maxim and Penals.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 22:25 PMFeelMemoryAcceptance

Molotov is useless if your opponnent is not a big dumb, or if he is concentrate.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 00:27 AMThe_rEd_bEar

The only arty the soviets have is the katyusha and maybe the 120mm if you want to add that but, thats doctrinal, and soviets dont tech because they have bad stock units like conscripts. Cons bleed late game regardless and what are you even talking about? charging them? they die regardless at all ranges, what am i suppose to do with them? keep them in maybe base late game, they are mainline infantry so I use them to fight, like everyone else, now if penals and maxims were buffed to be better units than cons would be fine because they would be supported by them , but they aren't

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 00:02 AMElSlayer

Oh, really?
Well, it seems to me that it is useless even if you have dumbest opponent ever.



/discuss

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 00:02 AMElSlayer

Oh, really?
Well, it seems to me that it is useless even if you have dumbest opponent ever.



/discuss

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 02:08 AMCorsin

it forced the retreat and dislodged the MG. Working as intended.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 02:16 AMNuclear Arbitor

it only forced the retreat because the other guy panicked; he could have ordered the MG out and been fine. additionally, the purpose of every other grenade is to cause damage, not merely retreats. giving cons a nade that sometimes causes retreats gives them a second class nade, especially compared to RGs,sneaky assault grenades, and WP nades (which have similar mechanics but are actually effective, regardless of the cost).

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 02:39 AMVuther

And I could easily walk out of Mollies most of the time before the latest patch...

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 04:46 AMNuclear Arbitor

well it all came down to RNG; the damage is still the same.

Jump back to quoted post4 Jul 2015, 04:09 AMdaspoulos

Well to be fair molotovs should be buffed through accessibility imo. I also liked the suggestion of them dealing 40 damage initially and then do damage over time. Soviets are clearly showing their age. They have been the same since beta when the game was almost completely different. Cons should get molotovs by default when t1 or t2 is built in their current state.

Jump back to quoted post3 Jul 2015, 22:40 PMsneakking

/snip