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Uhu, the only problem was the 76mm Sherman and T34/85s needing to be under 500 meters to have even a change of penetrating the tiger frontally, where the Tiger H1 could penetrate them at ranges well over 1500 meters
When the Soviet High Command tested a captured German Tiger H1 back in 1943, they were shocked to see that the only guns capable of penetrating the tiger frontally were the 85mm and higher calibers. Yet the 85mm needed to close in at about 300 meters to stand a fair change of penetrating the front. Untill they designed tanks with larger caliber guns (Is2 etc) the 85 mm would be fitted on the t34/85s as a stop gap.
'Soviet firing tests against a captured Tiger I heavy tank in April 1943 showed that the T-34's 76 mm gun could not penetrate the front of the Tiger I at all, and the side only at very close range. A Soviet 85 mm antiaircraft gun, the 52-K, was found capable of doing the job, and so derivatives of it were developed for tanks. The resulting tank gun could penetrate the side armour of the Tiger I from a distance of 800 meters and the turret side from a distance of 600 meters. It was still not enough to match the Tiger, as a Tiger could destroy the T-34 from a distance of 1,500 to 2,000 meters,but it was a noticeable improvement.'
* Pyatakhin, Dmitry. "The New Generation of Soviet Armor vs. Tigers". Achtung Panzer. Retrieved 2014-12-22.
"Conclusion: the armour piercing shell can penetrate the side of the Tiger tank, 82 mm thick, from 1500 meters, and the front, 100 mm thick, from 1000 meters."
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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http://www.achtungpanzer.com/the-new-generation-of-soviet-armor-vs-tigers.htm
"In February of 1944, T-34 was rearmed with the new long-barreled 85mm S-53 gun and then in mid-1944 with 85mm ZIS-S-53. This new gun could penetrate the side armor of the Tiger I from a distance of 800 meters and the turret side from a distance of 600 meters. It was not enough-as before, the Tiger could destroy the T-34 from a distance of 1,500 to 2,000 meters."
Considering the side could be engaged at 800 meters and that the frontal armor was 20mm thicker, that shortens the engagement range for the 85mm from the front further, about 300-400m is what it was.
Nice to see Katitoff spreading Soviet biased information. Those russian tests are bullshit and known to be adjusted into the soviets favor. Alone the title: "70 years of victory" coupled with a red flag and fist should give you enough information who posted that data.
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http://www.achtungpanzer.com/the-new-generation-of-soviet-armor-vs-tigers.htm
"In February of 1944, T-34 was rearmed with the new long-barreled 85mm S-53 gun and then in mid-1944 with 85mm ZIS-S-53. This new gun could penetrate the side armor of the Tiger I from a distance of 800 meters and the turret side from a distance of 600 meters. It was not enough-as before, the Tiger could destroy the T-34 from a distance of 1,500 to 2,000 meters."
Considering the side could be engaged at 800 meters and that the frontal armor was 20mm thicker, that shortens the engagement range for the 85mm from the front further, about 300-400m is what it was.
Nice to see Katitoff spreading Soviet biased information. Those russian tests are bullshit and known to be adjusted into the soviets favor. Alone the title: "70 years of victory" coupled with a red flag and fist should give you enough information who posted that data.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Would it be surprise to you if I told you there were a couple of different shells used and based on that, you'll get varying penetration numbers?
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Permanently BannedIts finally going to happen, PERSHING ACE doctrine, with 16CP Pershing 1 shotting everything with 0.5 damage modifier and a golden skin!
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Permanently BannedPershing will at least be interesting with people spamming it thinking it's the answers to all their hopes and dreams when well, it's a Panther with even worse mobility.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Yes! Let the butt-hurt consume you!
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How is it butthurt? A lot of people seem to have misnomers about what the Pershing is. It's not an Allied KT/Tiger I nor is it an IS2. The most analogous tank to it is the PV
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Lol 99% of people here have played vcoh. Those of us who want pershing, just want the vcoh one back. Which was basically a slower panther with high pen and good frontal. With its up-gun upgrade and vet2, it could kill tigers.
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Those russian tests are bullshit and known to be adjusted into the soviets favor. Alone the title: "70 years of victory" coupled with a red flag and fist should give you enough information who posted that data.
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I know I have faith that there is noooooo way Relic could ever mess this up
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This just in! Super pershing ace with target weakpoint, all the smoke, and a ranger crew that throws grenades out of the tank!
Only $10.00!
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http://tankarchives.blogspot.de/2013/03/soviet-85-mm-guns-vs-tigers.html
T34/76 had to close in.
34/85 could freely engage at 1000-1500m depending on the position of tiger.
Pretty much the same for 76mm shermans.
Stop the BS now kk? You're going way too much into axis superior tanks mythology and steering thread offtopic with historical bullshit.
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Would it be surprise to you if I told you there were a couple of different shells used and based on that, you'll get varying penetration numbers?
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